We’ve got a special Social Media News Live episode for you! If you’re looking to boost your productivity in 2023, we’ve got some great tips and strategies to share with you. Our pal Erik Fisher, the producer and host of the Beyond the To-Do List podcast, joined us on the show to talk all things productivity. From setting intentions and goals to using technology to stay organized, we’ve got you covered.


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[00:00:00] Jeff Sieh: Hello folks. Welcome to another edition of Social Media. News Live. I’m so excited, uh, to do this show with my pal Eric, who I think has been the, the most, uh, requested Yeah, requested guest on this show. We’ll go with that. We’ll go with that one. Uh, I’m so glad that he’s here. We’re gonna be talking about productivity.

[00:00:18] So if you’re watching this, we are pre-recording this, um, because we want to have a break. And that’s part of what we’re talking about is when we talk about productivity today, this is me being productive and Grace, uh, could not make it today. So we are pre-recording this. This is gonna go out on, right, is it Right before new?

[00:00:35] Yeah, right before the new year. So this is a perfect, uh, the perfect episode. So I’m gonna go ahead, since we don’t have a lot of, uh, rigal roll going around, but I’m gonna go ahead and hit go on the podcast machine and we’ll get started. You ready, Eric? Ready? Let’s do it. Here we go. Oh, folks. Welcome to Social Media.

[00:00:52] News. Live. I’m Jeff. C. And you’re not. And this is the show that keeps you up to date on what’s happening in the world of social media. And today we are joined by my pal, Eric Fisher. And today’s show is all about being more productive in 2023. Eric, how are you doing today, my friend?

[00:01:10] Erik Fisher: I am feeling good.

[00:01:11] Ready to take some time off 4 20, 23 hits. Right. And use some of that time, I’m sure we’re gonna talk about this, right? Especially cuz we’re talking about productivity. Taking some of that time to not just rest, but recharge and reboot into the new year. So yeah, and

[00:01:28] Jeff Sieh: if you don’t know who Eric is, um, well, you’re probably never listened to a podcast before in your life, but he, this is Eric is the producer and host of the Long Running Beyond the To-Do List podcast for almost 10 years.

[00:01:40] He’s talked with experts on how to implement productivity strategies in their personal and professional lives. And he is currently an account manager at now Marketing Group. , Eric. But when we get, before we get started here, we’re gonna be talking about, you know, how to start the, uh, the new year, right?

[00:01:55] With a sense on intention and purpose. We’re going, and, you know, we’re gonna talk about productivity strategies for 2023, but talk to us quickly about the beyond the to-Do List podcast. Like how you got started, like what’s the origin story? Let’s go do a Marvel origin story of like how and why you decided to start, uh, the productivity, you know, beyond the to-do list.

[00:02:16] Uh, many moons ago.

[00:02:19] Erik Fisher: Yeah. Let’s see. Okay, so look, my superhero origin story is a, a, a productive spider bit. Me . That was radioactive. Yeah. And, uh, no, and I guess maybe that happened when I was young, like probably junior high, high school, somewhere in there. Yeah. I just noticed that I didn’t, I, I, I was a procrastinator.

[00:02:38] I was not somebody who could stay on task. Very well. Come to find out later adult. Uh, diagnosis of ADHD when I’m sitting in a cubicle, um, during the year that my premature daughter was born back in 2005. Wow. So I’m, so, I’m already like, lack of sleep and all that kind of brought things to the forefront and I’m like, oh, you know what?

[00:02:59] I think I need to get tested. And I did. And they diagnosed it and we tried me, you know, medicine and things. Mm-hmm. , I used it, but it was kind of, you know, making me less, uh, it, it was benefiting me less. I was feeling like it was helping, but it was also like the con the pros and the cons. The pros went up, but the cons also went up.

[00:03:18] Yeah. So I was like, uh, so I kind of backed off everything and said, you know what? I can go back to, you know, systems and workflows and all that kind of stuff. So putting structures in place and things like that. And, and I’d already been doing some of that and read, getting things done previously to that and while sitting in the cubicle and, um, yeah, it was, and keeping lists and keeping, you know, before smartphones, keeping little, you know, notepad that you flip open, uh, little Right.

[00:03:46] You know, the mini version of the, that you turn sideways, that, that’s like just the reporter’s notebook kinda, and just the clicky pen and just writing stuff down, capturing all the time now capturing is not doing, but at least it’s capturing so you don’t forget. Right. So I was practicing it and starting to, to get into the world of productivity even then.

[00:04:05] But yeah, I think it was post 2005 and diagnosing that and, and being more aware was kinda the really the first intentional moment that I said, you know what? I’m interested in this. I wanna do something with this. But only until. Years later, 2012. Mm-hmm. , when I was phasing out of being a co-host on a certain podcast and found myself, well, I wanna keep doing a podcast cuz I don’t wanna stop doing any podcasts at all.

[00:04:30] I had for a second thought, let’s blog no better, better to process audibly. Right. And talk with people and interact. And I just podcasting’s my thing. Come. I mean, it just is. Yeah. And, um, yeah, just worked on it for a while, was like, well, what do I want to do? Who do I want to talk to? I definitely wanna talk to people, want to get into, get, get in on the ground floor of that free coaching and, uh, , you know, and, uh, cuz guesting and being and having people on your show is a good way to then open the doors to talk to other people and so on and so on.

[00:05:02] And that’s what’s happened. that I’m sitting there, I’m like, what do I wanna talk about? What do I wanna talk about People, I wanna talk to people about how they manage their day, how they do the work they do. And I’m like, oh, this sounds kind of like productivity. Yeah. But it’s not just Proti productivity, it’s productivity, but it’s beyond the to-do.

[00:05:19] And I’m like, there’s the name. That’s it. And, and this was all in my head, so talking to myself, that’s true. But that’s the origin. And then from that point on, I just said, okay, who can I get? And I knew I could get Michael Hyatt cuz I already could get a yes. And I did. He was my first recording, which was gutsy and it paid off.

[00:05:37] And having him then slowly opened the doors for other people. And it’s been more than 10 years now. So it, it’s been fun. That’s cool and exciting. Yeah.

[00:05:49] Jeff Sieh: Wow. So, and getting Michael Hyatt, I mean, he’s been on your show a couple

[00:05:52] Erik Fisher: times. Yes. I mean, like, well, more than a couple. Yeah. He’s, he’s been on about four, five times now.

[00:05:58] Uh, and in fact, he and his daughter are coming on in the month of January for their new book. So I’m really excited about that, to have them both on at the same

[00:06:07] Jeff Sieh: time. Right. That’s cool. He’s been on a lot, so he’s kind of like your. You’re Michael, he’s my Eric Fisher kind of a thing. Like you’ve been on that show.

[00:06:15] Sure, sure. That’s what we’ll call it that. Yeah, I’ll take that. You’ll take that? Okay. Sure. Um, by the way, talk about being more productive. Uh, what makes this show happen and it’s very, it’s great way to be productive with your live video is. Uh, our friends over at Ecamm, they sponsor a show. You can find out more about them at socialmedianewslive.com/ecamm slash Ecamm.

[00:06:34] Uh, in fact, there’s some really cool stuff right now if you look at their beta. Um, one of the things that’s gonna, I’m gonna, that I’m using for when I produce videos is in the beta right now, is they have isolated video. So just like, um, right now on their, their main software where you can actually, when we’re recording, it’s recording.

[00:06:51] Eric’s track, his audio track and my track separately and whoever you bring on it records a separate track and it’s really easy to mix for audio. They’re doing the same thing right now in the beta. With video. So you have isolated tracks for me, for repurposing. It’s gonna be great. So that’s gonna be rolling out, I’m sure, uh, next year as they kind of test it in beta.

[00:07:09] But if you wanna get early access, go to their, their beta site, I think it’s Ecamm dot com slash beta and or beta if you’re from the uk, and you can actually, uh, go download that. But go check them out, socialmedianewslive.com/ecamm slash Ecamm amazing. Uh, I could not do the show without them. And they also, last week we had, um, uh, a couple weeks ago we had Keon talking about Discord.

[00:07:29] And if you’d like to join their discord, you can go to Ecamm, do TV slash discord. It’s a great way to join the community, ask your questions. Uh, I really love hopping in there and, and just checking out Ecamm m does community right? So, uh, it’s a great place to hang out and talk all things live video. So make sure you check them out there.

[00:07:46] Alright, Eric, back to productivity. Um, so we are right at the cusp of the new year, and this is a great time to kind of go back and look at what you’ve done right, what you’ve done wrong, but what are some strategies. For setting and achieving some protect productivity goals in the new year. Like I know a lot of people try to bite off maybe more than they can chew.

[00:08:10] You know, Chris Brogan has the three things that he likes to do, or one word that’s gonna sum up your year. There’s gotta be a happy medium. So what do you suggest for people when they’re trying to set some strategies for, uh, productivity for the next year?

[00:08:24] Erik Fisher: Yeah, so I’m gonna go with the fact that I don’t love to do New Year’s resolutions and we don’t even need to go into that really.

[00:08:33] I just wanna say that like, you don’t have to set these big, hairy, audacious goals and then try to meet them. In fact, sometimes there’s so much pressure from that, that you’re just bound to fail and you know, I will refer you to, um, John ak. Yeah. For example, when he talks about goals is to, you know, be okay with setting it.

[00:08:56] lower because then if you can at least, but still make it stretch, right? But if you can set it to where you can get to a certain point, you’re still further along than you would’ve been Ha. And had you just set a super big goal, failed early, and then quit completely, you know? Mm-hmm. , like it’s all about long-term, sustainable, incremental change towards something.

[00:09:20] And I think we all think that we’ve gotta make these changes or growth, or whatever you wanna call it, insert your word here of change. Um, that you’ve gotta come out, that you’ve gotta hit January 15th and be rocking and rolling, right? Or else you’re a failure. And I’ve experienced that too many times in my life to ever go that route again.

[00:09:43] And so what I’ve done this year, I’ve got some vague wants, some needs, some ideas that I’ve kind of let percolate and simmer for a while. I’ve not yet landed on anything for 2023. And the reason is, is because starting today or really tomorrow after this recording, um, in, in advance of when it’s going out, right, I will have a stretch of time where I am not on anymore for the year.

[00:10:18] In other words, I’ve got a, a break, right? And by ha knowing I had that break, I was able to intentionally say, okay, here’s a bucket of things that one, first off, I’m gonna do a whole bunch of nothing and I’m gonna arrest, and I’m gonna recharge, and then I’m going to reboot and those, so I guess those are my three words.

[00:10:37] I didn’t intentionally decide to do that. , I don’t, I don’t think those are my three words for 2023, right? But I think those are my, my words before 2023. rest, recharge, and reboot. And so in rest it’s okay. Stop doing things. Do as little as possible for a while. Just kind of turn off all the switches, take the social media off my phone, stop doing, you know, stop, um, sitting down at my desk.

[00:11:02] Mm-hmm. , all those kinds, you know, stopped constantly checking things. Stop sitting in front of screens all the time. Now, that’s not to say I’m not gonna go cr watch some Christmas movies and TV with my right family and friends, but it’s gonna be so much more of a savoring mentality than it is like, uh, uh, um, an obligation, right?

[00:11:20] Recharge is gonna be . I’m, I am, no joke. I am probably gonna do like an advent calendar for all 10 days of my break, where it’s like, oh, I did my nap today, which, how long did I nap today? You know, that’s gonna be recharge and try to sleep in, try to get to bed early. Try to just reset. . And not just with like sleep, but also with like, I’m gonna indulge in some food, but I’m also gonna treat those like cheat days.

[00:11:46] And the rest of the time really kind of pair back and just either do some intermittent fasting, do some like, just not like cleansing or anything like that. Right. But just like drink a lot of water and mm-hmm. just reset the system. And then as far as reboot, which is also like resetting reboot is, I have, again, I mentioned those, those vague wants, needs gnawing at me, you know, in my brain, in my heart, in my soul, whatever you wanna call it.

[00:12:12] Like, I’ve been capturing those recently and saying, you know, I feel off in this area. Okay, well what, what is that? I’m gonna allow myself, um, since everybody else in my house is off as well on break, I’m gonna then take a break from them since they’ll be home . Right, right. I’m gonna take a break from them, get out of the house, probably go to the, Coffee shop or something, take a few hours and I’m going to leisurely go through and just kind of say, you know, without putting too much pressure, what are the things that need to change?

[00:12:45] And it’s gonna be looking at morning and evening routines to reset. It’s gonna look at what times of day and what types of work I have felt have been out of whack for a while. Where have I felt like I need to step up in certain hats at work or at home relationships, those kinds of things. I’m gonna, I’m gonna just kind of brain dump all of those and then mind map those a bit.

[00:13:14] And again, I’m not looking at this as like some big homework assignment or some, you know, project of me, right? But I’m looking at it as just leisurely, casually do this without too much pressure and say, okay, identify some areas and then say, okay, what’s. according to a 12 week year. Mm-hmm. , what’s reasonable to see some incremental progress?

[00:13:39] If I put a few, uh, you know, low hanging fruit or lever easy leverageable things in place for January through, let’s see, the first quarter ends at the end of March, so, you know, January, February, March, what does that look like? And then what are some of the other ones that I can push off into the hopper for April through June or July, July through you?

[00:14:00] You see what I’m saying? Right. The other quarters. So that’s the approach that I’m taking this year because that’s where I find myself with time and energy and focus and just how things have been, not just this year, but for like, say the past three years. 20 20, 20 21 and 2022 are all a blur in my mind.

[00:14:22] And I feel like this is just a, okay, stop, reset. Or like I said, re rest, recharge, reboot.

[00:14:30] Jeff Sieh: So one of the things, you know, you know, you and I both do the 12 week year and a lot of people can think, well that’s great. You’re gonna try to cram more stuff in a set amount of time. And that’s not really the whole, uh, the whole strategy behind the 12 week year.

[00:14:43] But, and you mentioned, you know, how you’re rebooting and you’re relaxing and you’re taking some time for some naps. So that’s great. When we have this like nationally syndicated downtime where nobody’s bothering us, really, everything’s kind of quiet. Most people are off. So how can we manage effectively our energy levels to maintain this productivity throughout the day through the rest of the year?

[00:15:07] Like, it’s really easy right now because I don’t have a lot of people pinging me. Things are kind of, you know, people are traveling, it’s cold outside and stuff, but then after the first of the year, you maybe have a day, like one day of Grace before stuff starts hitting. So how do we continue this? Like how do we continue to make sure we don’t get burnout?

[00:15:25] We, you know, we, we get those energy levels, which is, as I get older, that’s what I need to manage probably more than my time is my energy level. So what are some, you know, tips that you have to maintain that productivity throughout the day, during like

[00:15:38] Erik Fisher: normal times? . Yeah. I, I, for me, and, and so I, I told you about this earlier when we were talking that as I was thinking about what we were gonna talk about today, I just happened to see, uh, Tiago Forte, the author of Building a Second Brain, he had posted something and it just struck me as exactly where I’m at, and it kind of fits this question.

[00:16:02] He says, we tend to think of, we tend to think that if we had more time, we’d do more. But time often is an issue. It’s about more energy, motivation, and determination. And right there I said, yep, you’re right. Because in the past few years, there’s been a couple of seasons there where I’ve suddenly had a lot more time on my hands that I could have used way more wisely than I did.

[00:16:29] And it wasn’t a lack of time that that was the issue as to why I didn’t get more done. It was lack of energy. , right? Which is more physical, but can be somewhat emotional motivation, which I, I would strike as more mental and emotional and determination. And I thought to myself, those three things are the things that I really need right now, especially in some of the stuff that I, you know, you and I have talked about that I really want to, or need to be working on, right?

[00:16:55] And I’m like, yeah, I know I need to do that thing. Let’s, but when, but I just don’t feel like it. I think the key here is, is it’s not time definitely does play into it. You need to have more. You, you maybe need to have more time, but I don’t think it’s necessarily more time, so much as it is delegated time or themed time, set aside, calendared, in other words, protected with boundaries, set in place with nothing else able to take that time.

[00:17:27] Distractions, you know, boundaries put up so that distractions can’t happen and so on. But when it comes to energy and productivity, again, it’s why I’m gonna take a whole bunch of naps, cuz I’m just gonna get back into feeling like I’m more well rested overall. Right. Um, like I said, the morning and evening routines and especially even stress cuz like, you know, me, I’ve, I’ve experienced, I’ve expressed this before.

[00:17:49] I can get to bed at a great time, right? I can be asleep before 10, I can then wake up at like four something by accident Okay. And then not be able to get back to sleep. Right. And I don’t wanna be up that early. , but just have to, and so, and I don’t wanna be pounding coffee all day. So it’s more about deal, you know, so the, there’s one factor at sleep.

[00:18:07] Another factor is then stress. Another is definitely exercise and diet. It’s about not eating heavy lunches. It’s why you and I both, we both love sushi. One of the benefits of sushi Yes. Is that it’s not going to make you feel like you’ve gotta unbuckle your belt from Thanksgiving dinner after a, a lunch.

[00:18:25] And that sounds good. Afternoon is, it Does sound good, man. I, now I, anyway, I need sushi. Yeah. Instead of, instead of squirrel, it’s sushi. Perfect. It’s one of those things. So it, there’s all these different variables and these are, a lot of these are practical things, but we don’t think about how to apply them practically.

[00:18:45] Right. And so for me, again, part of my reboot is resetting on all these things. It’s analyzing like, okay, you know what, one of the times that I had the best energy in my life was doing, , Tim Ferris’s, uh, slow, slow carb. Yeah. Diet. Yeah. And I, I enjoyed it because I was making all these variants of scrambled eggs mm-hmm.

[00:19:07] with some spinach and like some hot sauce thrown in, in, in the mornings. And, and I was, and, and just having all of that really made me feel healthy. And I, and I had mental clarity and I had energy and focus throughout the day. And I wasn’t weighed down by not just stress and emotion, but my physical body

[00:19:28] Right. So, yeah, that’s a lot of where I’m coming from. And, and so, and, and to a degree like you, you and I know both know this. You, you went through a health transformation, you lost a bunch of weight right back in, I forget which year it was. And, and you got to a certain place in plateaued. I’ve kind of had ups and downs.

[00:19:44] Mm-hmm. , that’s one of the biggest things. So this is one of the biggest things. I’m, I’m resetting in terms of, you know, long term for the year. Like this is, like, this moment in time right now is like a line in the sand. For me with all of this stuff.

[00:19:58] Jeff Sieh: So I wanna go back because you mentioned really quickly, uh, you talked a little bit about sleep and I think that’s more and more important and it’s becoming more and more prevalent in the news, how important it is.

[00:20:09] And uh, you know, we have our Apple watches now that track our sleep. We have all these tools. Um, and, but you had, and it was a book you both and I read, and I don’t know if you know the episode number off the top of your head, but you had the author of, I think he’s been on a couple times, your show about sleep and I can’t remember his name, but I’d really like people to you to point people Yeah.

[00:20:28] To your show where they could find that because it was really. eyeopening, about, uh, sleep or eye shutting. Eye shutting is what it should be. Yes. Uh, but do you have the, you have, do you know what, who I’m talking about and what episodes are? I

[00:20:41] Erik Fisher: believe it’s either Sean Stevenson mm-hmm. , or it’s Dr. Michael Bruce.

[00:20:44] They both have been on talking specifically about sleep in different aspects of it. And so, and, and honestly, if you just go to beyond the to-do lists.com and type in the search bar, the word sleep, you’ll find all the episodes that bring that

[00:20:55] Jeff Sieh: up. Yeah. And that’s really good. And so if you, they won’t put you to sleep, but they’re really, really fascinating.

[00:21:00] No, especially, uh, I, I think I’ve read both of those guys’ books and, and they really do have some things, uh, throughout this next year, what you can actually help yourself by. You know, we talked about, you know, how can we, you know, keep this going Not just a certain amount of time, you know, the start of the year New Year’s resolutions, but a practice that you do.

[00:21:18] And I think sleep is the one hack that. Really does scale and gives you, you know, once you fix that, everything kind of falls in line. Your health, you know, your productivity, your energy levels, all that stuff. Uh, a lot of that has to do with the core of that sleep. And so I, I recommend those, uh, those episodes that Eric has on beyond the to-do list.com, uh, for, you know, getting some more information about that cuz they’re really, really good.

[00:21:42] So that’s just one tool and I want to jump into like, tools that we can use to kind, streamline or automate our work processes. One of mine is just really simple that I use and you can’t see it, but behind me, this thing folds back and I have, and I’ve been, I bought it for the last four or five years, but John ACU has a calendar.

[00:22:00] It’s like one of those just, it’s a year calendar and you can write on it with um, dry erase markers. I get it every year from him. And he is got little quotes from his book. Cause I’m a big. Um, but you can, you know, you set up your, you know, when I’m going to conferences or when I have a big project due, I can write that on there and I can actually X things off and see how much I have left in the year.

[00:22:19] We use it for our 12 week year. Eric and I both do. So, uh, that’s my like, big kind of tool that I use every day. What are some other tools or technologies we can use to streamline and automate our work processes? Eric?

[00:22:32] Erik Fisher: Yeah. I, and I think when it comes to tools, it’s really a matter of, again, a lot of people when they talk to productivity, people are like, what are the, what’s the best tool for this?

[00:22:41] And I said, well, the one you’ll use, right? And , you know, and same thing, Mike Vadi and I, it’s always like, you know, it doesn’t matter which to-do list you’re using right? Or if you’re using one at all, really, it’s more about which things are you going to use. So I think when it comes down to it, you wanna have some sort of macro, like you’re talking about the calendar as a macro.

[00:22:59] Mm-hmm. planner in a way for the, for an entire year. And that’s great. , I would say then if you can drill down in one level, whether this is a project management, management software or a task management software, and there is a difference between those two. Mm-hmm. , um, that you probably, and it can be used interchangeably, but there is a difference.

[00:23:18] Um, you wanna have, you know, your macro level of a year, you want to have your, like we’re talking about 12 week year, which is a quarter, and then you want to kind of go month by month within those quarters and week by week with your daily, with your reviews and things like that. And, and really it just comes down to are there things that you can do with those tools, whether, whether it’s macro or micro or automation.

[00:23:42] Cuz a lot of, a lot of the sweet sauce comes through. You can tell I’m hungry. Um, a lot of the secret sauce comes through when it comes to things like zap. , um, you know, automating things were, whenever I do a thing, it then does this thing and this thing and this thing and sets the domino effect. Whereas it’s not multitasking, it’s just automation.

[00:24:02] I did a thing and everything else flowed through. Right, right. So having a lot of those kind of quick small little things like, so again, project management software for your life or your work or both, whether you’re using Asana or Trello for that, whether you’re using, um, for task management, if you’re using something simple like, like for example we use in my house, um, we’ve gotten to the dig the point where we, for the shopping list, we’re using Apple reminders, right?

[00:24:31] Yeah. We share Apple reminders list, um, for my wife and myself and my daughter, cuz now she will go to the store for us, which is great. That’s nice. Um, having something as simple as that. So it’s really a matter of, okay, where have you felt friction or lack? in your system, where have you felt like things have fell through the cracks?

[00:24:52] Then you look and say, oh, well, is that a macro or a micro? Where does that fit? And then you find the right software for that tool, software, et

[00:25:01] Jeff Sieh: cetera. Hmm. That’s good because, um, like, and it’s okay I think to audit, like the tools that you’re using because I’ve used a, a certain to-do list app for, for years, and I just found one because I was struggling with focus.

[00:25:17] It was called Focus to Do, and it actually has my task list that built, that has, um, built in, uh, I think it’s, is it Pomodoro? Is that how you say it? I don’t never know. Yes. Pomodoro. Pomodoro. And um, it gives you like 25 minutes to do a task and you get a five minute break. You’re doing the task 25 minutes and there’s another break, and then at the end of like three you get a 15 minute break.

[00:25:37] So I’ve really done that to help me focus on a certain project, like if I’m doing a podcast or doing something else. And it’s been a huge game changer. And it’s because I audited something. And the other cool thing about, it’s called Focus to Do and it goes across all my, like my phone, my iPad, and my desktop.

[00:25:53] So that’s my newest one that I really, really like as you know, kind of, you know, putting things together. But Eric is right, it’s the one that you use and, um, my daughter has discovered Notion, oh my gosh, she is a control F you should see her Notion board. It’s crazy. Oh wow. Uh, for school. I use Rome research.

[00:26:09] That’s what I use to, I kind of do a brain dump. And you had, oh, you need to, this is another episode that you guys need to go listen to over on Eric’s, uh, beyond the to-do list.com. Um, it’s Tiago Forte, who he mentioned earlier, who did, you know, finding the second brain or whatever his book

[00:26:25] Erik Fisher: was, I building, building your second brain,

[00:26:27] Jeff Sieh: I think is what, yeah.

[00:26:28] Building your second brain. If you’re a not fan or you feel like you’re, you’re losing information and you need a, a way to capture that. He is the man, he’s the one I got me on Rome. Rome research uses a lot of his techniques, A lot of notion people use him, uh, for his stuff. And so it’s amazing. It is an amazing book.

[00:26:47] It’s amazing episode. So make sure you guys go listen.

[00:26:50] Erik Fisher: I do wanna call out that identifying that need of, I mean, I have a, you know what I, I’m gonna be fair. I don’t have a second brain. I’ve cobbled together pieces in the past where I’ve been, I’ve kind of faked it, faked it, mm-hmm. , but I’ve never officially set up a second brain legit.

[00:27:07] And that is one of the things that I want to right. That, that is one of the things on my list for this break.

[00:27:13] Jeff Sieh: So, um, I use like, uh, Rome researchers and the main, not , it’s more of mental health for me because, uh, anxiety is like, oh, did I forget that? I used to have sticky notes everywhere and that was driving everybody crazy.

[00:27:28] This way it allows me to do a brain dump and I know that I can retrieve it if I need it, because of the. That I set up, I watched a bunch of YouTube videos to get it set up the, the way I needed it to. And so I’ve built courses on that. I, I, everything I have, it has an app and I can capture stuff, ideas. I, it’s just like a big sigh of relief for me that I don’t feel like I’m losing stuff because I have a way to capture it and capture it quickly without a bunch of, you know, rigamarole or whatever.

[00:27:54] But, uh, yeah, if you struggle with like, feeling like I had an idea and I forgot it, or I, I, I’m the stress even putting your head down at night, like, I’ve got all this stuff. I’ve got it. If you have a place to brain dump, oh my gosh. It just makes it so much nicer. And, and, uh, that, that episode over on Eric’s is, is well worth the listen cuz it really will.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:15] Erik Fisher: I, if you’re, if you’re any type of creator. in any form or fashion, you can’t afford not to. Right. You’re a creator in any way. You can’t afford not to build a second brain because you have to be able to not just capture your ideas and not lose them to the ether. Mm-hmm. thinking, oh, if it’s a good enough idea, it’ll come back.

[00:28:37] You need to capture it, but not only capture it, be able to then store it in a trusted system where it can meet other ideas you’ve had in the past, and then they can get married and have idea babies, and then those are the ones you executing on. Right. Ooh, I just talked about killing babies. But anyway,

[00:28:55] Jeff Sieh: uh, don’t kill, no, that’s not, that’s

[00:28:57] Erik Fisher: a phrase though.

[00:28:58] Killing your darling, killing your babies. Yes, you’re right. It’s, it’s, it’s, I’m,

[00:29:01] Jeff Sieh: yeah. So let’s move on too, because I know a lot of people are, are working at home. and you know, now we have a lot of people have the option of working at home. So what are some best practices you’ve found for manage, and this can be at work too, but this, this would be practical for that, but managing and organizing your workspace.

[00:29:19] Like I tend to be kind of cluttered. I have like a, a cone of cleanliness that you guys can’t see, but that’s cuz everything is messy outside of the cone of cleanliness. But cleanliness is just one of the things. How would you know, what are some best practices, Eric, for managing and organizing the workspace where you are gonna spend a lot of your time?

[00:29:39] Erik Fisher: Yeah, I, I, for me, I’m one of those people where I want to go for a minimal list workspace. So, you know, I’ve got my monitor with the camera on it. I’ve got my road caster over here. I’ve got my mic that’s up out of the way and boom arm I’ve got. You know, I’ve got my little coaster here for my drinks.

[00:29:57] Mm-hmm. , and my, my Ember mug is still out, uh, a lamp and a charger for my phone. And then the laptop’s way over there, like in its dock, and one cord plugs in, and then everything connects. And then I’ve got room, you know, I’ve got my mouse and my keyboard here I’m picking up. And then that’s it. And I’d like to keep it that way.

[00:30:14] However, that allows me to make it a drop zone during off work hours. And then I’ve gotta come back and pick things up and move them or whatever. But it’s, but I like to keep it that minimal, like, I would like to see as much of the bamboo on my desk as I can. Mm-hmm. . So at that serene, you know, yeah.

[00:30:31] Serenity now is my workspace. Being able to come in and sit and immediately not feel overwhelmed as you’re starting to work digitally. is key for me, and I think it is for a lot of other people too. I think even like you said, even you’ve got the cone of cleanliness around your workspace, even though beyond that is maybe not the same scenario.

[00:30:53] Right. I know it’s not for me either. . Um, but so I think yeah, having, having it set up, figuring out what’s the bare minimum you need and trying to parrot down to just that, that’s your starting point at least.

[00:31:08] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. One of the things that I found, and this may not be it, it kind of fits into the workspace, but I always, like, before I quit for the evening, I start another project.

[00:31:19] Like let’s say I’m editing a podcast or something, so I will start like a new one. Say, I’m gonna just gonna do five or 15 minutes and then have that much done. So when I come back, I’m not starting for scratch. And that’s kind of been a hack, and I leave that up on my, you know, my computer. I’m even save it.

[00:31:35] But I have that, so when I first come in, boom, it’s ready to go. And so, uh, that can also be kind of a way for, I think working at home might help you kind of get going and not kind of drag yourself and like, oh gosh, what I gotta, you know, opening a bunch of windows and then get distracted by Facebook and all that stuff.

[00:31:51] So

[00:31:51] Erik Fisher: anyway. Yeah, I like to call that ha uh, handing the baton to future me. Yeah, that’s good.

[00:31:57] Jeff Sieh: That’s good. Yeah. I don’t, I don’t have any batons, but, uh, I’ll take your word for it. Um, here’s a, here’s a kind of a question. Maybe you haven’t, I know you talked about productivity a lot and you have tips and, and hacks over at beyond the to-do list.com, but, um, one of the things that helps you stay productive and avoid burnout is learning, at least for me, learning and growing.

[00:32:20] So what are some ways that you have found that we can continue to learn and grow? and, and stay productive and relevant in our fields. Like what are some, are there some hacks that you have? Do you have like lists or certain like website summaries that you go to? How do you like stay up? Because productivity is a big field and there’s, you know, there’s a lot of different people who have different, like, you know, niches that they really specialize in.

[00:32:44] How do you stay up to date on what, like, is new in the productivity market? Well,

[00:32:49] Erik Fisher: I try to stay subs. I mean, I, I subscribe to certain newsletters from certain people. I don’t, cuz those get into, you know, beyond the filter. They, I don’t have to go out looking for them. I’ve already curated them and they’re coming to me versus me looking for it.

[00:33:03] Um, I, I think one of the key, and, and so setting that up is, you know, picking and choosing your channels and your inputs is one thing. . Another is, uh, you know, you and I have both done, um, what is it, masterclass before? Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Uh, and, and there’s tons of great lessons on there, whether it’s specifically in your field or if it’s outside your field, but then you can apply it to your field.

[00:33:27] Like I’m thinking Steve Martin and his comedy Oh yeah. Uh, class that’s in there we both love. Um, that’s great because then you can apply that as a lens or a layer on your work or life by having gone through that class and just kind of taking note of those kinds of things. I like to pop in and see, you know, I think at this point I just kind of get an annual subscription to that and then pop in and see every once in a while what’s a new one I wanna check out or what’s one that I’ve never gotten around to, even though I put it in my list.

[00:33:54] That kind of a thing. Right. Gotta make time for it though. Gotta got a bucket list. Not bucket list. Block. Block out Block time. Yeah. That time. Block the time for it. Um, . And sometimes it’s as easy as just watching it on an iPad while you’re on a treadmill or a, a bike. But,

[00:34:10] Jeff Sieh: um, and I think what you’re saying, like, there’s another one, um, gosh, it’s, it’s all about documentaries.

[00:34:15] It’s, it’s a lot of the YouTubers share it. Is it? Oh gosh. But it’s all documentaries. Oh, you know what I’m talking about? It’s not discovery. It’s something else. But,

[00:34:24] Erik Fisher: um, yeah, I’m

[00:34:25] Jeff Sieh: blanking. The thing is, is, is a lot of times you can. Stuff outside of your field that, that you, if you’re doing, like we talked about, creating a second BA brain, you can see those things and they start to kind of flow together and you can see like, oh, that is connected, or I could use this story over here for this.

[00:34:42] And so, um, once again, you know, finding those things outside, even like watching a Marvel movie, sometimes you can take, oh, that’d be a great story that I could put in my blog or talk about on a live show or something like that. Um, you know, and, and Grace, I use Feedly and you mentioned about curating newsletters.

[00:34:57] Feedly is great for that and Grace has like this super like, curated thing she’s got over the years where she gets all the social media, new news articles and it’s just really, it’s amazing. And she won’t even share it with me. So that’s how super secret it is. But,

[00:35:11] Erik Fisher: um, yeah, I, I, I mean that’s one an RSS reader.

[00:35:14] Mm-hmm. like subscription setup, I mean Google Reader, but R I p Google Reader. Yeah. But, uh, moving on to Feed Lee and a few others, I’ve kind of, I kind of over time said, you know what I want, I don’t wanna just follow specific. Sites and channels. It was more trusted voices and Right. And people who, who I have vetted and curated into, again, newsletters.

[00:35:38] Yeah. I wanna see what they’ve packed up for me as a member of their audience or community intentionally. Mm-hmm. . And then I create specific folders, uh mm-hmm. for those in my email so that they don’t go to my inbox. They go over to the side. It’s, uh, like, it’s a, you create a ruling in Gmail where it’s um, uh, skip the inbox.

[00:36:02] Right. Uh, don’t, don’t mark as red and put it in this specific folder. And that’s exactly what I do. And then I can see that there’s some over there, but I don’t have to jump in there because it’s not urgent or important. Yeah. Also a tip, tip or trick for that is if you have like newsletters where they’ve got great deals and like you, you know, sales and all those kinds of good things, create a folder for that and send all those into there.

[00:36:24] Check it once a day. It’s like you then don’t have to keep getting. distracted throughout your day in your inbox by those things.

[00:36:30] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. One of the things, and I think you brought me onto this or Hyatt did, who was on your show, but was, uh, I use SaneBox, so that’s where I, I train things to go. You do it a little bit more manual.

[00:36:41] More manual. I use SaneBox to put it in where I can say, like, ignore it or go into the black hole while I’ll never see it again. Uh, which is pretty amazing. Uh, but yeah, Feedly is for me, the one that I use to, to curate all that stuff because, um, I just like it. And, and one of the hacks that I’ve done this past year, uh, and then once again, it’s more for my mental health.

[00:37:02] It’s like I don’t check news. I’m a news junkie and I, I love Apple News cuz it’s on my device. I can do that. But I’ve made a rule for myself and I’m really, really good about it now because it makes a big difference is I don’t read any news during. on Saturday, I allow myself to read the news. Now, industry specific news comes to me in my Feedly.

[00:37:19] I can get, like if Apple comes out with a new watch or there’s, you know, new live video stuff that I’ve curated so I can read it and I read Feedly every day, but I don’t get all these other news articles where the world is burning and that we’re all gonna die in the next 10 minutes, which helps my mental health.

[00:37:34] So, uh, if you’re struggling with that and you’re a news junkie, do that rule. Like, I’m just not gonna read it until the weekend. Then you can be miserable on the weekend and then you come back to work and you’re

[00:37:43] Erik Fisher: fine. So yeah, mute, mute at all. Figure out again, this is your channels and your inputs and choosing them ahead of time.

[00:37:49] Right?

[00:37:49] Jeff Sieh: So let’s go on to one of the things I think people struggle with the most. I know what I do and the focus, you know, we talked about this focus, uh, to-do list that I had been using this. That helps me kind of focus and has my task list. But that doesn’t matter if you don’t have a way to prioritize, prioritize what tasks to do.

[00:38:10] So what is the best way, Eric, that you have found to prioritize tasks, uh, when you’re sorting them? Because we can have a, a never-ending task list and we can focus on things that really don’t move us forward. So how do you prioritize?

[00:38:24] Erik Fisher: Well, there’s, uh, there’s a couple different ways to, to prioritize your tasks.

[00:38:28] And again, I think it really comes down to having that macro to micro kind of prioritization. So, you know, macro what’s important, and then drill down. And then you drill down and then you drill down. And when it comes down to it that way, you know, long term, what can you know if something urgent does come up, what can be procrastinated on purpose put off for the next day or the next week or whatever, and it’s not gonna kill you.

[00:38:57] Mm-hmm. and the urgent thing can then be, uh, taken care of. Um, . I always kind of go back to that Eisenhower Matrix. I, I believe that’s what that’s called, where it’s the, you know, urgent verse and verse, urgent and important crosshairs. Mm-hmm. . So it’s like, you know, if you, if you almost like, uh, lazy tic-tac toe where you just go one down and one across and you got four boxes, right?

[00:39:20] And you’ve got, um, you know, the axises of urgent and important. So it’s, um, urgent and important, uh, urgent and not important. Important but not urgent. And not urgent and not important. I think I got ’em all right. Um, and that’s helpful for triage in the moment and even sort of day-to-day and even weekly planning.

[00:39:43] But you wanna move beyond that and be really focusing on always doing something that’s important. It should all be important. We shouldn’t ever be doing things that aren’t important. Right. Otherwise, what’s the point? Um, . And it’s just a matter of then having that kind of triage mentality and having pre-thought what your decision making rubric is for when it comes to something urgent coming up mm-hmm.

[00:40:10] And so that, that really is where that comes out. Um, another thing to kind of throw into the mix there is the, the Pareto principle, um, which basically has to do with, um, prioritizing your tasks based on, um, the impact that they’re gonna have on your goals. So again, this is a way of pre-thinking before the urgent enters into the system.

[00:40:32] Mm-hmm. , deciding and ranking what’s urgent, what’s the not urgent, what’s most important first, so that you can focus on those. And then that’s where you kind of derive your, okay, if I’m gonna do just one thing today, what’s the most important thing I could do? Right. Or, you know, others, others talk about what’s your three things for the day.

[00:40:52] Right, right. And you know, there’s different styles, whatever. Um, for me, I love the idea of if there was only one thing that I got done today, what’s that most important thing? And the rest is gravy, you know? Right. . And so, uh, and, and another way that you can kind of look at this or another layer to add on or into the mix as an ingredient is the 80 20 rule.

[00:41:12] That’s where you’re focusing, again, it’s kind of like Pareto, but different. Um, basically out of the a hundred percent of what you do, uh, 20% of it yields 80% of the results, right? So it’s about doing analysis of time tracking and, and or revenue and or, you know, leveraging, et cetera on what’s going on, what things you could spending be spending your time on that are gonna yield the most, uh, value.

[00:41:37] And then through that you delegate or eliminate tasks that are less. Yeah.

[00:41:43] Jeff Sieh: So one of the things, and I think it’s from David Allen and what is it? I think it’s his five minute rule. Like if he sees a task, come on up and he can in five minutes get it done, he just does it right away. I think that’s, at

[00:41:54] Erik Fisher: least that’s what I’ve been doing.

[00:41:55] There’s a two minute rule, five minute, I mean, there’s the 32nd rule for when the food falls on the floor. Exactly. Five second rule is for the food on the floor. Right. Five minute rule. You don’t want to anyway. No. Yeah.

[00:42:06] Jeff Sieh: It’s, it’s dead. So the other thing is that I have found that’s helped me and I think people who are like us, Eric maybe, who have side hustles or solopreneurs or, you know, they, they need, like you talked about, like what’s gonna move them forward.

[00:42:22] I have started to do, and I usually try to do like three big things and I, and I don’t know who took him in with that, but, um, two other things usually are for my clients or the services I provide, like if it’s editing a podcast or it’s doing consulting work or whatever. But I’ve been trying at, for, for.

[00:42:37] One of the tasks, at least one of them, to do something and treat myself as a client. And everybody’s heard that before, treat yourself as a client treat, but it’s hard to do, especially when you have people, you know, they say the squeaky wheel gets the oil kind of a thing. Um, and if your clients are like, you gotta get this done, I gotta get this done, then it’s like, it’s like, oh, I just, I just wanna go in and eat supper and watch TV and not work on something that for me.

[00:42:58] So what I’ve been trying to do is do in one thing for me, for my company as a client, that I would do either first thing or right at the beginning of my work day to get it done. Because that, you know, you mentioned the 80% rule and that a lot of times the stuff that we have to do for our own business is in that 80% and, and, and trying to focus on that.

[00:43:19] So what are your thoughts on that? .

[00:43:21] Erik Fisher: Yeah, I mean, I, again, this is, it, it, it’s kind of looking at the all-encompassing. Some people are only doing stuff for themselves, right? Some people have clients. Some people only do stuff for clients, right? It’s really a matter of, again, when you kind of take that 80 20 rule, take that Pareto principle, thinking about the macro of a year, thinking about one drill down in terms of a quarter, and deciding what is going to be best in terms of listing that stuff.

[00:43:47] All get, get it all out there outta your, get it all outta your head, right? Then you can put together where, um, it lines up in terms of timeline, in terms of importance, in terms of goals. Whether that’s goals for yourself that you’ve made or goals for four or with your clients. By having that all stated an expectation set and then you can even set expectations to be exceeded.

[00:44:10] That’s fa that’s fine, that’s great, but only by going through and doing that logistical homework, can you get to the point where you then know, . Oh, okay. So then my thing for me for the day, if like you were talking about, you can kind of say, well, the best thing I can do for me for today is this, or the, or this week the thing for me really needs to be this.

[00:44:31] So how can I break that out into a manageable, like, uh, seven day or, or, or if you’re not gonna do it on the weekend, five day, um Right. Chunk, five chunks that will get it done this week. Yeah.

[00:44:44] Jeff Sieh: So, um, you and I, before we move on to our next section, I wanted to ask this question is like you and I both like tools and technology and productivity hacks or apps or whatever.

[00:44:56] We, in fact, we used to work for a company where we would have to come up with those every week , like some new ones. So how can we use technology and digital tools to enhance our productivity rather than hinder it? Because I know some people, they’ll get a new tool and then they’ll spend like weeks setting up that tool.

[00:45:13] Use it for a bit, and then they’ll go and they’ll do the same thing and they’ll spend weeks setting up the processes and the tasks and you know, all this stuff. And then, you know, the next thing comes along. So how, how do we decide what works and how to stick with it? You know, you and I both talked about, we audit a little bit beginning of the year and we found a new tool.

[00:45:29] We kind of go to that, but when does that become really negative? And we should just not, you know, this, just use your notepad, , or whatever. Like, so how do we keep it to, how do we continue to keep it enhancing our productivity rather than hindering it?

[00:45:43] Erik Fisher: For me, when it comes to tools for productivity, it, again, it, the rule is use the one that, that you will use or choose the one you will use first and foremost.

[00:45:53] But beyond that, yeah, deciding whether to upgrade or change, it really needs to kind of be a, a diagnostic thing you do occasionally where you say, are there any, um, knowledge gaps, are there any workflow malfunctions? Is there a place where things are falling through the cracks that I’ve. Not observed, which I need to pause and, and, oh, I didn’t know that was happening.

[00:46:15] Or two, you have observed and you’ve captured it, but you haven’t addressed it yet. Um, by being, to being, being able to step into those diagnostic modes, and again, this is a great thing to do, like once a quarter and just address it. And again, it may be that, oh, there’s a, there’s a, there’s a, um, there’s an automation, right?

[00:46:36] That’ll work with all the things I’m already using. And I can, um, you, I can, I think I can grout that issue right there. Fill that in, right. Um, Sometimes you’re gonna have to just get a whole new tool, but you don’t know which one’s the right one for it. But that’s when you pull your, your friends and your colleagues and say, Hey, what you got, uh, what are you using for such and such?

[00:46:57] You know? Yeah. Uh, you know, I need something that’s gonna be more motivational or more focus driven or, or whatever. Um, yeah, it, it really comes down to that. For me, when it comes to tools, I try not to, uh, add too many new ones in. Now I’m, I’m paying attention in the ether and I’m, you know, I look at Product Hunt occasionally.

[00:47:16] I don’t, not, definitely not as much as I used to. Um, but I am kind of doing it once a week where I clear out that folder from Product Hunt and say, oh, okay. There’s a cool one there. Oh, that one looks inter wait. I didn’t even ever consider, like, I mean, you and I have been playing with a tool that we’re not gonna dive into right now.

[00:47:32] Right. That we, we didn’t really. , or at least we didn’t think we needed it. And I, I actually, I don’t wanna get to the point where you do need it. Right. But, uh, it definitely fills in a gap that we weren’t aware of and were interested in playing with it. Uh, I don’t really wanna elaborate on it, but Right.

[00:47:48] It’s predictivity it’s one of those tools. Yeah. But it’s productivity and it’s like, it starts to, as you became, we became aware of it, we’ve investigated it a bit. It’s starting to open our eyes to possibilities and we’re still trying to figure out where it fits in our workflow, if it’s a helpful thing or not.

[00:48:06] I think we’ve both found, um, this tool to be something helpful and time saving when it comes to creativity and workflow. And so I, I think that’s really the test there is you, you almost don’t wanna go fully in. It’s, it’s not. Moving where you’re like, okay, that old house is sold and I’ve gotta move all my stuff.

[00:48:29] Right? Because you don’t wanna move over and over and over again in real life or in productivity. Um, right. But when it comes down to it, you, you really just need, it’s, it’s all about getting stuff done. And honestly, I try to, to get off the technology as much as possible. Yet again, another thing I’m going to abstain from as much as possible during this break and re kind of reevaluate like my workflow, cuz I don’t wanna be staring at a screen as much as I am, but I also know that there’s a benefit to when I do my, like, you know, legal pad writing analog, right?

[00:49:02] Analog is not a word, but I’m gonna use it analog. Um, that it just, my stuff flows faster versus me typing. So,

[00:49:11] Jeff Sieh: so that, you know, and also you can hack that stuff too, because I’m the same way. I remember better when I write, but I also would lose that stuff that I’d write on those Post-it notes. So I have like an iPad mini.

[00:49:21] To the side of me right now where I can write stuff and it also syncs to the cloud and all my devices and I can capture it, uh, and put tags and all that stuff and, and actually put it in Rome’s re research. So that’s one hack. Hack. You know, I do a lot of reading and I can highlight, um, stuff and I use an app called Read Wise, which takes those highlightings and puts them into Rome research.

[00:49:41] So I never forget good quotes, which I think a lot of us done. So there’s a lot of things you can do. And I also wanna point out, going back to what you said at the start of the show, how your family now is using reminders. A lot of times apps that you use can also be integrated and become free in some technologies.

[00:49:58] Like now with the iPhone, with the reminders where you can sync your shopping list across from everybody. I, I mean, like, I taught my wi, it was funny cause I taught my wife that when we’re getting ready for Christmas shopping and food and all that, I’m like, look, we don’t have to lose lists anymore, I’m telling you.

[00:50:12] And I finally convinced her to try it and she’s like, oh, this is really great. I only have to take my phone. I’m like, Yeah. So, you know, and there used to be apps like, don’t forget the milk and all that stuff, which are kind of ire, you know, irrelevant now because it’s all built into the phone and you only need one thing.

[00:50:26] So once again, taking that stuff, looking at it, reevaluating it, see if it’ll fit where you need it, or it becomes free where you don’t have to pay for something anymore that you were paying for. It can also be something with tools. So,

[00:50:37] Erik Fisher: yeah. And again, it starts with noticing the need, right? And really being aware of that.

[00:50:42] And again, I’m glad we moved to, um, reminders, what we moved to in terms of reminders, because I, I’m like, okay, I’ve got the list. I’m on my way to the store. If you think of anything else on the way, just add it to it. Right? And she’s just adding, she’s adding two or three more things while I’m driving and then I’m there and I’m like, oh, this is a much longer list now

[00:51:01] Okay. That’s right.

[00:51:02] Jeff Sieh: And the other cool thing is you can ask also go, Hey, you know, voice assistant. Add this to my, and that’s really handy too as well. That’s

[00:51:09] Erik Fisher: another, yeah. Another easy way when you’re driving. Mm-hmm. . Yep.

[00:51:13] Jeff Sieh: Exactly. All right. So our last segment. Before we do that, I wanna make another big shout out to our friends over at Ecamm m uh, make sure you go, uh, go over to them at socialmedianewslive.com/ecamm slash Ecamm.

[00:51:23] They’re what makes this show, uh, happen. And it also is a great productivity tool. You not only can use it to go live with, but you can also use it to create presentations, which is, I do, I use it for when I’m creating my product videos for Amazon. Uh, it’s awesome for all sorts of stuff. So try to think outside the box too, and you can really be productive with some software.

[00:51:43] So make sure you go check them out at socialmedianewslive.com/ecamm slash Ecamm and appreciate them for sponsoring the show. All right, Eric, this is a big thing. Everybody struggles with it. Everybody I know at least struggles with this and, uh, it’s procrastination. So what are some ways that you can give us in 2023 as we move forward?

[00:52:03] How can we stay motivated and avoid procrastination?

[00:52:08] Erik Fisher: I’m gonna tell you right now, this is a tough one for me and everyone else. Procrastination. Again, it, it’s, it’s aligning. I think. I think some of it, some of it can go back to what we’ve already talked about in terms of actually having done the logistical homework and planning and, and, you know, thinking about what you wanna do and, and then actually setting goals and then breaking it down.

[00:52:32] Uh, you know, all the good stuff, all the good planning. Mm-hmm. . But you and I both know that, like, again, we can select something that is the thing we need to do based on our goals and we need to do it today. Right. And yet I just don’t feel like it, I don’t feel like it right now. I may mm-hmm. , I may be tired, I may be distracted.

[00:52:56] Whe whether that’s a literal distraction from external sources here at my desk or people calling or. Emails I got or whatever, or internal distraction when it comes to, I can’t, I’ve, I read all the news and I feel like the world is in a bad place right now, and I just don’t feel good about myself or it, or my relationship, you know, insert problem here that I’m worried about or concerned about or have anxiety about.

[00:53:22] And because of those things, because you’ve not dealt with those things, you either haven’t done the planning, you haven’t, uh, gotten enough sleep, you either or you haven’t, uh, dealt with distractions and you haven’t dealt with what you’re thinking, feeling, et cetera, enough to then get in that place. And, and I know you and I varying degrees do different things to make all those things happen.

[00:53:48] Mm-hmm. , or work or plan, or, you know, all those things, you still can get in a moment where the thing that you need to do is the time and the task are at hand and yet just still don’t feel like either you wanna do it. , you can do it or you have the energy to do it, but it has to get done. So how do you make sure it gets done?

[00:54:10] And so sometimes it’s just a matter of saying, okay, you know what? Reset? Mm-hmm. . I stand up, I walk away, I say, oh, you know what? I’m gonna do this, but I am going to do something quickly with either a break or a, or a recharge, a cup of coffee or what? Like I’m gonna psych myself up. Or, you know, something along those lines.

[00:54:28] Um, you can come up with your own versions of this, whether it’s, you know, play some music that’s gonna motivate you. Get up and take a quick walk, uh, you know, either outside or do laps around your yard or in whatever, take the dog out, insert here. Something that kind of, in other words, create a habit slash trigger mechanism of some sort where it’s like, okay, let me set my desk up to do that thing, but not actually start it yet.

[00:54:54] Let me walk away. Let me do that. You know, whether it’s drink a water, coffee, dog walk, um, jumping jacks, pushups, whatever, whatever. Change it to a stand. Change your desk to a standing desk. Mm-hmm. instead of a sitting desk or vice versa, whatever it is, that’s going to help you feel like mental reset in that same psychological, emotional way that like when you enter a doorway, sometimes we forget what it is we came into the room for.

[00:55:24] Right? Take all that neuroscience and psychological engineering and all those good things and put it towards this problem. And I have started to find that this is making a huge difference for me. If I just get up, walk away, reset a lot like Pomodoro method. And so if you can apply that and integrate those resets and re-engaging, you will find that more often than not, it will get you past that first hurdle of starting.

[00:55:54] And once you’ve started, you can, you know, can start to maintain momentum. . Yeah, that’s

[00:56:00] Jeff Sieh: great. So I, I’ll say what has helped me be motivated and avoid pro procrastination. One we talked about earlier, the focus thing, but the, the second thing is, is I’m part of a mastermind and knowing that I have to go every week and sit in front of these guys or, and, and talk about what I did or didn’t do, uh, there’s a little bit of, helps me get over procrastination and kind of motivates me to do that.

[00:56:23] So I’ve been in a, a group with Eric for, gosh, what is it, five over five years now that we’ve done every Monday morning. And so seven plus years I think. Yeah, that has been great for, uh, and I love masterminds and I’m, we’re, and we’re also in another one, uh, that’s really good on Tuesdays. But, um, that has been, for me, one of the biggest motivators.

[00:56:44] And also with just, you know, knowing that you’re not alone and that also that you have other people pulling for you and you can ask questions and all that stuff. So Masterminds is probably one of the biggest things that’s changed the. The way that I have, you know, increased, you know, my output of my company and, and you know, spiritual, physical, all the things, uh, mental health, all that stuff has helped from a mastermind.

[00:57:07] And I believe in ’em so much. I’m gonna start my own this year. So if you’re watching or listening to this, you make, uh, you just send me a DM wherever you’re listening at, if you’re interested in that. Uh, we’re getting a bunch of people together to do that. So, um, I’m really excited about that. But masterminds of me, for me, have just changed everything.

[00:57:24] And they helped me with, with, uh, you know, stuff like I never, like Eric was talking about, you know, taking a break or, or, you know, mindset kind of shift when you, when you need it to stay productive. And he introduced me to Brain FM and just, you know, that kind of stuff. Having. Those people who are almost like your suite of executives around you, um, C-suite that can help you, you know, speak truth in your lives, man, that has made a big change just in little things like that.

[00:57:48] Like suggesting an app or, Hey, this worked for me, you may wanna try this. Or, Hey, let’s meet together, uh, for breakfast when we’re at this conference, and let’s talk about this and where you want to go with your, your company in the next, next month or so. And so that stuff has changed a lot. So I don’t know about you, Eric, but those are some of those things that kind of like really help me stay motivated and, and get out of the, and I could even call Eric and say, Hey man, I am just like, I am not feeling it today.

[00:58:11] And he’s, he’d be like, well, you need to do this, or, you know, go listen to the music and go for a walk and then go do this. And so that kind of stuff really does make a big difference. .

[00:58:18] Erik Fisher: Yeah. I, I, I know that, uh, you know Ian. Yeah. He, he, me, uh, Ian Anderson Gray, who he messaged me about a thing. Um, and I just, I just asked him questions.

[00:58:28] I just said, right. Hey, what is, you know, I, I’m trying to think of what it was. There was a specific thing that, it was like a series of different blog posts, I think, and Ian, if I’m wrong, just correct me, . But, um, I think it was a series of blog posts. And I just said, well, how, what’s the word? Count? He, he would answer and I’d say, okay, well, how long does it take you typically to do that?

[00:58:47] And he said, uh, he gave me an answer. And I said, do you have any time blocked out to just like, sit down and even if it’s not correct, draft it? And he, and he said, yes, and he set it up or something. And, and this is all hypothetical. Uh, I’m, I’m right, right, right. The names and the, the dates have been changed to protect the innocent.

[00:59:07] And he, um, but just by me. But he reached out. and I, because we were in, we were in our call and he said, Hey, I’m struggling with this. And I, I messaged him real quick and just asked a quick question to instigate the, the process, right. And so we just kept going back and forth with different questions and because I was doing that and I was just nudging him just slightly a little bit more and a little bit more, he was finding that he was then.

[00:59:34] And so then he was like, he, he text me through messenger, like, I don’t know, a week later, and he said he had gotten ’em all done. And it was because, not because of me, but because he was able to get past every little, whether it was conscious or subconscious, every little, um, hurdle that was in his way because he was able to take another step and another step and another step because of account.

[01:00:01] And it’s accountability is so huge. Yeah.

[01:00:04] Jeff Sieh: And once again, you know, Eric has been a big part of helping me develop my business. And so I want to, that’s one of the things I wanna do is like this next year and then, uh, start a new mastermind group. So once again, if you’re interested in that, make sure you just DM me wherever you’re listening or watching this.

[01:00:19] And, uh, yeah, I’d love to, love to chat with you more, so it’s gonna be really, really cool. But yeah, masterminds to me have is the, the best way for me to increase my productivity and my business. But Eric, before we kind of, this is kinda the last question once we wrap things up. Um, you know, it’s 2023, a lot of people are doing these New Year’s resolutions, but a lot of times it’s baby steps.

[01:00:40] And so what are some ways to continuously improve and increase your productivity over time? Maybe not just like, try to bite it all off at once, but like, what are some of those little steps that we can start to make in 2023 that will make a big difference, uh, as we go through the year? .

[01:00:57] Erik Fisher: Yeah. I, again, I’m gonna go back to John Ache and just say that it’s, it’s not about the short term, it’s about the long haul.

[01:01:04] Mm-hmm. . And so if I wanted to, like, if I wanted to say make 2023 the year that I got a certain thing done, like I say I lost a certain amount of weight, or I hit a goal weight or something, you know, let’s, let’s use that example. Mm-hmm. , it’s not that I’m going to lose, um, you know, one, you wanna say, okay, what’s the totality of it?

[01:01:26] And then you want to say, okay, if I, by December 31st is it, is December 31st? Yes. Uh, of 2023. Right. Um, I think another goal I need to do is learn math. Um, if by December 31st, 2023, I want to get to this number. Then if I’m at this one and I wanna get to that one, you know, you can plug those in and get the graph.

[01:01:48] But then it’s like, okay, but what if I want to feel like. , I am a little bit more motivated then it’s like, okay, well what does a monthly and what does a weekly do? And, and again, it’s not giving up on anyone weekly. Like if, if had an off week, fine. Cuz you’ve got the monthly and if you, and then in, you know, again, you, you’re taking it kind of without over-analyzing and over-committing.

[01:02:10] You’re breaking it down into smaller pieces and saying, you know, what if I only lost, let’s see, so 52 weeks in a year, if you were able to lose one pound a year, or I’m sorry, one, one pound a year, one, I’m gonna, anyway, uh, if you were gonna slow, yeah, that’s the slow burn. Um, if you are going to lose one pound, literally one pound in a week, that’d be 52 pounds.

[01:02:37] Wouldn’t that make a huge difference? And even if that’s not all you need to lose, You, you would find that, um, losing four in January and another four in February, right? And another four in March, that by the time you get to around mid-year, you know, may, June, you’re gonna start losing more than you’re gonna lose, like, two, right?

[01:03:00] Three, five a week, or, you know, 10 a month just because you’re, you’re re and then you’re, again, you’re gonna readjust, you’re gonna recalibrate, you’re gonna add in new things, et cetera. But again, it’s that whole getting started piece. You don’t, you don’t know what the struggle’s gonna look like in six months, but you know what it looks like right now.

[01:03:19] And it’s, it’s that you can’t get started or what you’ve tried doesn’t work. And so again, lean on accountability, lean on taking a break, resetting, et cetera, um, to get started, but breaking it down into manageable and easy to step over hurdles instead of one giant, massive project. Right.

[01:03:39] Jeff Sieh: That’s great advice.

[01:03:41] Alrighty, Eric, this has been, once again, a fascinating and, you know, encouraging, uh, conversation because I, you know, once again, I always think of new things that I can do and I, but I don’t feel overwhelmed in it. Like, I can try this stuff and I’m not like anxious or have anxiety about the new year.

[01:03:57] There’s things I want to accomplish, there’s things I want to grow in, but staying away from being anxious and, you know, like stressed because I have to do this, uh, makes a big difference. And a lot of that has to do with, you know, your help and the masterminds that we’re in. Uh, so I really appreciate that.

[01:04:12] But let, before we end this, uh, conversation, I want you to have the chance to kind of talk about, be on the to-do list, where to find you, all your stuff, maybe some upcoming guests you have that you’re excited about. Um, but the floor is yours. Yeah.

[01:04:26] Erik Fisher: So like I said, uh, you, well, you can find the show at beyond the to-do list.com.

[01:04:31] So there’s like over 450 back episodes at this point. So you can go, if you, if there’s a specific topic you’re curious about, like I suggested earlier with sleep, go there, type in the search box, sleep or procrastination or creativity or you know, whatever word it is, you’re gonna find episodes that you can then start.

[01:04:52] You know, listen to and start with in terms of your journey and then subscribe or I should say follow these days they’ve changed the terminology. Right? Okay. Um, but that’s one place to start with. And then in coming up in January, I’ve got a great conversation already in the can with Chris Bailey. Um, that one’s all about leaning in on this, using technology for its pros and having the right relationship with it to put the cons of that technology at bay.

[01:05:20] Um, got another cool again, Megan Hyatt Miller and Michael Hyatt will be on the show in January as well. And a few other really cool ones in the works. Not yet committed, but close. And so, but yeah, at least you can get started with whatever topics you you’re interested in. Right.

[01:05:37] Jeff Sieh: Awesome. And make sure that you guys go follow Eric at Beyond the to-do list.com.

[01:05:43] That’s where you can find everything out about him. Um, so it, once again, great, I, I was listening way back in the day, um, with, uh, on his show about productivity cuz it, it’s, it’s really, really good and it’s got a, a huge back catalog. So if you’re needing something to listen to while you’re driving to and fro grandma’s house through the woods, um, that’s what you can listen to because it will help you and bless you and all sorts of good things when you listen to beyond the to list.

[01:06:08] So the other good thing that you can listen to and be a part of is our friends over at Ecamm, make sure you go follow them. And sign up at socialmedianewslive.com/ecamm slash Ecamm. Once again, thank you for to them for sponsoring the show. Uh, we did Miss Grace. I hope she’s having a great time. Um, I think she’s chilling out.

[01:06:25] I don’t wanna say where, at an undisclosed location. Uh, having fun with her family for the holidays, the North Pole. Yeah. Appreciate her. She’s helping, uh, Santa, get ready. And, uh, with that, we thank you guys so much for watching. We would not be able to do this show without you, and we will see you next time.

[01:06:39] Bye everybody.

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