Business Coaches, Counselors, Mentorship Programs, and Mastermind Groups – all of them promise to develop your abilities, accomplish your goals, and build accountability. But which one will give you the clarity and direction you need to grow your business or become more skilled in your career? Which avenue is right for you?

On this week’s Social Media News Live, we’ve invited business coach and certified therapist, Anthony Witt, to help us answer these questions and more!


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[00:00:00] Jeff Sieh: Welcome to Social Media News Live I’m Jeff Sieh and you’re not

[00:00:05] Grace Duffy: Grace Duffy. And this is the show that keeps you up to date in the world of social media.

[00:00:10] Jeff Sieh: There’s business coaching, there’s counseling, there’s mentors, group masterminds lions and tigers and bears. Oh, I, all of them promise to help you develop your abilities to deal with life’s challenges, accomplish your goals, build accountability, but which one do you need to help you grow your business or become more skilled in your career?

[00:00:31] Which avenue is right for you. And today we have to help answer these questions and more. We’ve invited Anthony wet, who just so happens to be a business coach, a licensed therapist and member of my personal mastermind group. He’s going to join us on the show today to answer all your questions, Anthony, how are you doing my friend?

[00:00:49] I’m so excited to have you here.

[00:00:51] Anthony Witt: I’m doing fantastic. Excited to be here, excited to to have this conversation chat with you guys.

[00:00:57] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. So if you guys don’t know Anthony, and you’re going to fall in love with him today you really should. He is the co-founder of Whit house counseling. And this agency started with his wife and has now grown to become a multi-state operation.

[00:01:12] Anthony is a serial entrepreneur. I believe me. He is cause he’s been in my mastermind for over five years starting. He started managing and selling multiple businesses through and through his years of experience as an entrepreneur and a therapist, Anthony has developed a unique skill and understanding of what it means to run a business because of this.

[00:01:31] He focuses his time on helping business owners and entrepreneurs from a psychological and therapeutic standpoint to live a life of rhythm amidst the chaos. And I will a hundred percent give Anthony a ton of credit because he really is living and breathing all those things in his bio. So I’m so excited.

[00:01:51] Grace Duffy: So Anthony, I have a question. What came first were counseling or coaching or did they evolve?

[00:01:59] Anthony Witt: They evolve. Yes. But for me it was coaching first. I, so I am married to a wonderful woman and she’s a therapist and I said, therapy is the stupidest thing ever. Why would you go into that field? Back 20 years ago.

[00:02:16] And was that your first year? It was not our first date. It was not our first date, but I did. I was like, yeah, you don’t need to go to school for that. That’s a dumb thing, I’m not even answering your question, but that’s how eventually I got to therapy was because of. The short story is coaches that I knew were saying, Ooh, you got some anxiety.

[00:02:44] You should go see a therapist, or you seem like you’re depressed. You should see a therapist. And I don’t disagree with that sentiment, but my thought was, are we helping these people? Are we just sending them to different places? And so I started to work into that side from the coaching, from the consulting coaching side, saying, let’s treat the whole person.

[00:03:05] Let’s try to treat the whole person. So that’s how it wouldn’t coaching then into.

[00:03:09] Jeff Sieh: Awesome. Awesome. Before we get started the show, I want to do a big shout out to my friends over on on Ecamm. They help make the show possible. They are sponsores of the show. They have some really cool stuff coming out right now where they’re talking about, Ecamm simplified where they’re walking through, like the product to help you learn about Ecamm, how to do live streaming set up your microphone, all that kind of stuff.

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[00:03:56] This is grace to show by the way she so wanted this show. Not that she needs the counseling or therapy or anything, but she is really she seen all this sure. A lot of you have across the interwebs everybody’s seems to be having a coaching program or something like that. And there’s a lot of confusion running around it.

[00:04:13] So at Grace, I’ll let you just kick it off right away.

[00:04:17] Grace Duffy: Absolutely. We’re going to start off with the question of what is coaching and what we’re talking about here is business coaching. There’s a lot of different kinds of coaching out there. There’s sports coaching. My son, who’s a sophomore in high school right now has a math coach, but we’re talking about business coaching and there are so many different people claiming to be a coach right now, whether that’s a writing coach a coach, there’s a lot of coaches that specifically work with like male entrepreneurs, female entrepreneurs, everything in between, and as someone who is active on social media and who follows a lot of content about entrepreneurship, I’ve probably seen a coach for new.

[00:04:55] Everything. So I wanted to know Anthony, like, why is that and why, what has made this such a growing industry? Even this morning, as I was prepping for the show, I was seeing countless in countless Facebook groups and LinkedIn groups that I’m in, like people talking about coaching. It’s just seems to be a hot topic right now.

Why is Coaching So Popular?

[00:05:16] Anthony Witt: So I think there’s at least two answers to this question. And the first is financially. Anybody can be a coach. We can get into, we’ll get into that, I think later on, but I can make money being a coach. I don’t need, I don’t need a brick and mortar store necessarily, especially if I’m coming to you or I’m doing virtual.

[00:05:35] So the barrier to entry is fairly low. I don’t need a whole bunch of widgets that I’m making or handing out to people. So I don’t have a huge amount of overhead. There’s money to be made in coaching. I think that’s definitely one of the reasons. And there’s problems and there’s problems.

[00:05:53] I believe a big part of the issue with the problems is psychological, which is I would call it psychological, but there’s psychological issues that are things that are happening in society today. And not necessarily like today on April 22nd, 2022 or whatever the date is, but there’s a shift towards isolation.

[00:06:18] And that shift towards isolation pushes towards the breakdown of relationships and the breakdown of relationships pushes towards the need for help. And that need for help increases the potential for stuff like business coaching. So it doesn’t really matter. What that breakdown is actually what I thought of, I was thinking about this.

[00:06:37] The first thing I thought I was the reason that coaching is increasing aside from what I just said financially. And some of the breakdowns is because we have this need for connection. It actually makes me think of not going to get into psychology. Like I’m a psychology teacher here, but it’s, Mazlow’s Abraham Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.

[00:06:55] He says, we need these lower things. And these things stack up some of the mid to lower range. Things are falling apart as our relationships are strained. And I personally think it has to do with technology and a couple other things as research says, but we need the connection. Coaches offer that in a good way, in a positive way.

[00:07:17] So I think that’s where you see the explosion to answer, to get your. There’s an innate in you. Go ahead.

[00:07:24] Grace Duffy: Oh, go ahead. Sorry. We have, I think we have a little bit of an audio delay. I apologize. So Ian has to, you had our friend, Ian Anderson, gray has two comments. I want to highlight both of them together.

[00:07:35] He says that people think that you need to have reached rock bottom before you need coaching or therapy. I think that’s often the view that we put forth is that people have to reach this like catastrophic level before they maybe would be, get help. And he says maybe it would have been better to get help earlier.

[00:07:54] What do you think? And then I’m going to do his second question here too in parallel to that. So there are so many different coaches. What kind of coach life, coach money, mindset, coach mindset, coach. And he asks, where do you start? So I guess the two questions there to summarize is how do you know when it’s time to begin?

[00:08:12] And then where do you start?

When Should You Start Looking For A Business Coach?

[00:08:16] Anthony Witt: I think it was Jeff. You read, I read a comment from someone at the beginning. I think everybody should have a coach. I tend to believe that sentiment. And if you don’t have a coach, which I think a topic we’re going to get in late on date, you should have a mastermind group.

[00:08:31] So the answer to the first question is, yeah, you don’t need it at rock bottom. And the truth is a lot of times, it’s not, you don’t need a coach when you’re at rock bottom, you need a therapist first because you’re bleeding so much and you’re so dismantled that you probably need a therapist first. So answer the first question.

[00:08:51] I think everybody could use a coach and that’s like a, almost think of that as like a cliche way to say it. The second question is actually probably the more important question is like, what type of coach, what type of coach should I get? And this goes into my opinion into what is it that you need. The problem.

[00:09:10] I see. And I know you’re not asking me what the problem is. The problem I see is people don’t know themselves enough to know what it is that they need or what their problems are to figure out what type of coach they need to hire. So basically I said, people don’t understand what the heck the problem is.

[00:09:25] That’s where a therapist might help. But so do I need a life coach? Do I need a financial coach? And I can’t remember the other things that he mentioned, but it all depends on where you are. I tend to move towards coaches that are specific, not because they’re the expert in that industry, but because they’re focusing on that part of that thing for me,

[00:09:47] Jeff Sieh: Gotcha.

[00:09:49] I want to bring up a comment over on LinkedIn from melody Johnson. She goes therapy and coaching can be so deeply impactful and she goes ahead and separates the two. But another thing I think a lot of people struggle with, or we need to define what, how does coaching compare to mentorship?

[00:10:08] Is coaching the new mentorship or is it something different? Are they used interchangeably? How would you define those two Anthony?

What’s the Difference Between Coaching And Mentorship?

[00:10:16] Anthony Witt: I would say they are not the same. It might be the new thing, but that’s because mentorship is falling out of Vogue. And I say that’s actually probably a detriment because a mentor, what a mentor does is a mentor is someone of wisdom.

[00:10:31] Some of that has a bunch of knowledge they’re expert in the industry. A coach doesn’t need to be. Because that’s not what a coach’s job is. A coach’s job is to help you get to where you want to be to help you get to the place you want to be helped craft plans and designs on that specific topic, whether it’s financial life, whatever the topic might be, a mentor gives you the ability to learn and grow wisdom in a specific field, but also with life.

[00:10:57] So right now in my life, I have a coach. I have a mentor, I have mastermind groups. I don’t always have those things right now in my life. I need an expert in this field that I’m in. So I have a mentor that has done every has been in every major segment of psychology and counseling for the last, almost 60 years.

[00:11:23] He’s not my coach, but I come to him with so many questions and he can just, I can say, blue and go on blue for. On that subject. And so he’s a mentor in the fact that he’s given me wisdom. I come to him, Hey, I’m thinking about doing this. And so it gives me all this wisdom based knowledge.

[00:11:46] We’re a coach. On the other hand, he doesn’t need that because that’s not what the job is, coach. The coach’s job is excuse me. And so I do think that people are looking at it that way. And I think that’s a detriment to mentors. The other thing is quite often, not always quite often, mentors aren’t paid and if they are paid, it’s not necessarily about the financial transaction.

[00:12:11] Like it is with coaching. The financial transaction with coaching is actually both a positive and a negative. It’s a positive in the. I’m paying for this. So I’m going to do what that person tells me to where I’m going to get rid of them, or I’m going to be forward on the mentor side. Like I said, sometimes there is financial transaction, but it’s not about the financial transaction.

[00:12:31] It’s about the wisdom transaction. So I think they’re different. I think they should be different. And I don’t think you always need both.

[00:12:40] Grace Duffy: So how do you find a mentor? Because you answered Dean’s question. He says I’ve always been confused about what a mentor is. I have to, I think because I think that term has gotten changed evolved or changed over the last within my lifetime.

[00:12:54] And then he says that I’ve always thought a mentor to this for free and a coach usually charges, which you answered. But I guess that leads me. If you’re looking for someone to give you all of this time and wisdom and spent really invest in you and it’s free, how do you find.

How Do You Find A Mentor?

[00:13:12] Anthony Witt: I can tell you how I have found it. And actually I’ll give you, so I was watching, I don’t know what it must’ve been Instagram or something like that. This is a Social Media, right? So I’ll give a Social Media I’ll act like I know something about social media. In some little kid walked up to a Denzel Washington, it was like a five, ten second clip.

[00:13:32] And he said, Hey, I want to, I think he said, I want to study under you because what this little kid, like I say, little kid, he probably was, between 15 to 20. So I guess he wasn’t little. And what he was trying to do was work underneath him. He was trying to gain his wisdom. And so whether or not that person ended up paying or not, it doesn’t really matter what this person did is he went to the expert and that’s what I’ve done.

[00:14:02] I found people that I know. Are the right people because I’ve listened to them. I paid attention to them. I hear what they have to say. I’ve went to their speeches, whatever the case may be. And I’m also looking for that person. So when I hear those things, I’m thinking, I’d like to get a little bit more information on that.

[00:14:21] And then I outright go up and ask them like the, my current mentor. It’s funny that we’re talking about him, cause he’s literally on the other side of this wall we’re not normally here together. We share an office space and that’s actually how I did it. I said, Hey, I want to learn from you.

[00:14:39] I want to learn under you, and I’m doing some things actually for him, that is a benefit to him. It’s really, to be honest with you, no sweat off my back because it’s really easy stuff for me. Cause I’m of a lower generation, a younger generation. And so I just literally have gone up to people and said, I want to learn from you.

[00:15:01] I know, I have other friends who have done that. Word’s completely transactional where they’re retired. Maybe they had 40 years in an industry or in a specific area. And they got that. And they’re like, man, I love to share my wisdom with somebody, but no one’s asking for it. And they, some people, like fortune 500 type people, they will go to coffee with them every single week for free because they just want to get out there.

[00:15:26] So I think my answer to that question is determined what it is or who you want to learn from and ask. It would be a starting point.

[00:15:35] Grace Duffy: That’s a good answer. It’s very direct. I was just picturing myself, going around, looking for bill retired billionaires to hang out with, which is a whole other

[00:15:45] Jeff Sieh: that’s called stalking.

Finding Mentors from Leaders

[00:15:49] Anthony Witt: It can be a building block to, so let’s say I want to learn from them. And let’s pick someone in, in, in I don’t know why this is coming to mind, but like Musk, right? Like I wanna learn from Musk. You might not start with Musk. You might work with several levels down and you might work your way up because the interesting part is the person that has been in whatever that industry is or whatever that sector is, they also know people that are above them.

[00:16:15] And so it can be a stepping stone process to move up with mentorship. We’re going to get it to this, I think because masterminds one of our topics, but this is actually what I did with masterminds too. I found a mastermind that I wanted to be a part of. And I went to the leader and said, I value, I appreciate who you are.

[00:16:36] And then I add some value, right? I said, Hey, this thing looks like you could use some help with this. I’d love to help you with this. And he was shocked. It was super simple. It’s actually Social Media, which I know hardly anything about. And I helped him with a little bit, and that gave me the in to be able to add value to him in the process and that got me into the door.

[00:17:01] Jeff Sieh: So I think that’s interesting when you talk about going and offering help and stuff. So I can go back to my beginning business journey is back on Dustin’s sounds probably hearing, and he always talked about Google plus back in the day, Google plus I just started making comments thoughtful comments, not just stupid things like underneath when peg would put peg Fitzpatrick and post something who she ran social for guy Kawasaki, who’s a big deal.

[00:17:26] And so that eventually led to like me, Hey, let me do this video for you. I did a video, and stuff like that. Five, 10 years down now I’m working for a guy Kawasaki producing his podcast. So what you’re saying, those level up kind of stuff, it really does work and offering to help people.

[00:17:44] And I did not that wasn’t part of my master plan to eventually work for guy Kawasaki and produced the podcast. Not a thought it was just being helpful. And then when the opportunities continued to evolve, I would say, yes, I can do that. Even though I didn’t know anything you say yes, even when you don’t know how to do anything.

How To Listen To Find Mentors

[00:18:02] Anthony Witt: So here’s where I struggled with this, right? And I’ve learned this and we could, I could do, man. I could do a whole show on how I ended up with some pieces of real estate that I’ve ended up with in Jeff Reno. You and I have talked about it. All I’ve done is solve the problem. What is the, everybody has a problem.

[00:18:21] Everybody has a problem. Elon Musk has a problem or whoever you want to talk, they all have problems. Can you solve one of their problems? The issue for most people is I don’t know what their problem is. I can’t see their problem. And that might be the case. So what I encourage people to do is are you looking and are you continuing to look?

[00:18:42] Cause if I say, Hey, I want to be a mentor of Jeff today. And I say he doesn’t have any problems. He’s got a super sweet background in his thing and he’s got a sweet beard. Like, how am I going to help him? I don’t know what to do. I guess he can’t be my mentor. No, keep paying attention. Keep listening.

[00:18:58] Eventually. You’ll be interesting. I was listening to a super high actor lately on again. I think it was Instagram and I heard in his voice and what he was doing. I heard him, I heard problems like direct problems. I bet you, 90 man, 99.9% of people did not hear the problems that he said because I was listening for problems.

[00:19:22] And so when you listen for problems, you can start then solving the problems for the people. And it doesn’t mean you solve it might be, Hey, I know the person that can solve that problem for you. So then what are you? You’re the connector. You’re still a problem solver. You’re still entering yourself into the person’s life.

[00:19:37] Very cool. All right. This is getting deep and a lot of great questions. This is really good. So Grace asked your question. The next question, because I know, yeah,

[00:19:46] Grace Duffy: I wanted to start with Martin dropped this comments. I want acknowledge it. He says, unfortunately, anyone can hang their shingle out and call themselves a coach.

[00:19:53] And so in searching for a coach the question is, searching for a coach. What should we be looking for? Because almost every profession out there requires some sort of certification, whether you’re a teacher or a plumber engineer, there’s a certification you have to do. There are defined and specific degrees.

[00:20:10] If you want to get into law or medicine or counseling, because you’re responsible for people’s lives and their health. And then you even need credentials to go into something like finance or real estate, because you’re managing people’s money. But what does it take to become. Coach, is there a training or a licensing or even a certification required that’s before you can even call yourself a coach?

[00:20:32] Is there some sort of way? I think like people look to outside organizations for that assurance that this person has been vetted. They know what they do, they’re, I’m not going to be led astray. And I think that’s a big fear is that people don’t want to be led astray and they want to know, they want to know where to put their trust.m

What Type of Credentials Does A Coach Need?

[00:20:53] Anthony Witt: Okay. So I’m going to give a story and then I’ll back it up a little bit. So I’m a I think the shortest way to answer is I’m a part owner in a detail car detailing shop. And mostly I’m I sit on the board as a mentor at the top, and we were talking about developing the company’s name is Midwest best detail.

[00:21:21] It’s in the. Awesome. Super simple name, right? And we’re in the process of developing and we’ve done gone to this mobile platform where we have fans. And so we are developing what we call the Midwest best certification. So detailed certification, detailing cars, right? Cleaning cars, we made it up.

[00:21:44] Like it means nothing. All it means is that you can do what we want you to do. The way that we want you to do it. There is a lot of how the coaching industry works now. Not all of it. So hold on a second before when coaches get mad at me, but that’s how a lot of it works. If I want to certify coaches, I can certify coaches and the Anthony with therapeutic certified coaching certificate.

[00:22:12] And there’s really not much that anybody can do stop me. Now, what happens is it valuable? Does it hold any value you have? John Maxwell has coaching certifications. Dr. Amen. From the psychological AME clinics has certifications. Are they valuable? I don’t know. Maybe people have certifications in coaching and one of the issues with coaching, I’m not sure if I’m even answering the question or the issues with coaching becomes who’s regulating that certification.

[00:22:42] And so part of the question becomes the difference between licensing and coaching licensing is typically regulated by a governing body that holds all of those things. And most of the cases in licensing it’s regulated, it has some type of governmental regulation, right? So you have to do these things in this way for this manner.

[00:23:02] And there’s a board, a bird board licensed and certified doctor. That’s what you want to go see why? Because they’re held to a set of standards. Now, the short answer is, in my opinion, is coaching and it’s business, coaching or life coaching in their infants. Doesn’t have that yet. I’ll give you another example.

[00:23:23] I am a certified anger management specialist. It’s a psychology certification actually. What does that mean? It means absolutely nothing. But when I take that to the legal court system and say, Hey, I’m an anger management specialist. If you need anybody that needs that stuff, go ahead and send them to me.

[00:23:41] They send me people all the time. What it means is I went through a course. I sat down, I did these things. So there’s a lot of these industries that are attempting to set regulation and they don’t have any. And so in licensing, I have to get C you have to do so much continuing education and I have to be certified.

[00:24:02] Some coaching programs have the same thing, but those see use are only really there so that you can continue to use their program or continue to use their messaging system. I’ll even go as far as to say, like my masteral program. Has a, the university I went to get my master’s in psychology or mental health and counseling.

[00:24:26] I took coaching courses at the master level, but it’s just a certificate.

[00:24:31] Jeff Sieh: So what when Martin said when searching for coach ensure that they are members of the ICF and have designations what’s ICF, is that a well-known one? I don’t know.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:44] Anthony Witt: So there’s a bunch of them and I think he’s right, so those are agencies, there’s different agencies. That’s one of them that are trying to regulate and put standards in place. And so they are doing the regulatory side of coaching. Does that make sense at all? So I agree with. Find these programs. And I’ll also argue that there’s other regulatory bodies that are trying to do the same thing.

[00:25:14] Eventually what happens in industry? This is like a study of like business and industry. Eventually what happens in industry is one group overtakes the other, and that group becomes the regulatory body. I don’t believe we’re there yet in coaching. So you’d like the ICF great use the ICF. I think that’s a great one that, you know, we’re just not there yet.

[00:25:38] Jeff Sieh: Gotcha.

[00:25:40] Grace Duffy: Is international coaching Federation, just to find out what that is. Okay. All right. I just want to make sure, because this is a podcast too, so they may not see, they may not. Yes. Keeping us on our toes. So that is the internet or I’m sorry, the international coaching Federation.

[00:25:57] And if you Google ICF you can find a bunch of information on that. So wanted to make that little.

[00:26:03] Jeff Sieh: Sure. So I wanna, I want to move us along because I know grace was yelling at me that we’ve got to get through all three sections today. So I wanna make sure we do that, but I want to wrap this coaching section up with this question, because I think it’s a great one.

[00:26:16] And a lot of people probably have this one. It’s like, how long should you stay with your coach? I’m not who said this over on Facebook, but I think it’s a good question. How long you should stay with your coach. Is there, I know sometimes there’s packages you can buy with coaching. Sometimes it actually is for a set amount of time.

[00:26:32] They say this is going to be a, a three months. Platform to get you kicked off on whatever platform or whatever. But what do you say, Anthony? How long should you stay with your coach?

How Long Should You Stay With Your Coach?

[00:26:45] Anthony Witt: So let me not answer that question and answer the question you didn’t ask yet. Okay. I’ll come to that question.

[00:26:51] A lot of the, this is, again, I feel like I need to preface this as, this is my opinion, but a lot of that, this is this long, this is this that’s actually marketing techniques. So those are infrastructures that they developed to keep get and sustain their company. Does it happen in three weeks?

[00:27:12] Maybe? Can I push it into three weeks? Yeah, probably does. Doesn’t need to be, it’s a marketing sets. That’s not, I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. What I’m saying is that a lot of times that’s what those programs, when we develop a program, why? Because we know that more people will buy a program than people will just buy a blanket coaching.

[00:27:31] So I’d make up a program because people are going to buy a program. Yeah. I might believe in my program, but I don’t necessarily need it to be set in a certain way. It’s just more likely people will buy those things. And so to come to your question now, how long should you keep your coach coaches? In my opinion are designed to help you achieve the thing that you’re attempting to achieve when that’s no longer happening, you probably should move on.

[00:27:58] So I have a coach right now, my coach, and I’m not sure if we’ll get into this, but my coaches specifically to help me take specific actions. He’s he, I think he, I’m trying to think of how he does it think he manages a fleet of fighter jets in the Navy. I needed a guy that was. Two pre-structured right now.

[00:28:19] That’s what I needed. I needed an accountability based coach. We’re actually literally on the cusp of taking a three month break, because what we’ve decided is we can, we’ve gotten to where we needed to go. There are more things that are coming up, but my next three months are fairly set on what I need to accomplish.

[00:28:37] And so I’m going to recheck with him in about three months. So to answer your question, are they helping you achieve what you’re trying to achieve? Coaches are in there for the business too. A good coach would often lie to you. The here’s the issue I see with most coaches, they don’t have enough work, so they need to keep you as long as possible, or they don’t have enough clients.

[00:28:57] Then you keep you as long as possible. When a coach is offloading you because either you’re the wrong fit or because they believe you’ve achieved. What you’re trying to achieve. You have a good coach. Now that doesn’t mean that they’re always going to offload you, but if you’re not accomplishing or moving towards what you’re trying to move towards, it’s probably time to move on and you can do that without ruining the relationship, right?

[00:29:20] Yeah.

[00:29:21] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. That’s great. I think that’s a great, a perfect segue into our next section because you know what doesn’t need any coaching and who gives great coaching. Is it. That’s right folks. They’re the sponsor of our show. they are what make this show possible and they do have I was being silly, but they do have some great coaching.

[00:29:42] If you want to go over to, they walk you through how to set up stuff. I really don’t know of another brand that does so much stuff for their community and teaching them the platform. They do great stuff there. They also have a they have it’s great. Every day in April, they were doing, this is the last week for it.

[00:30:02] They also have, if you go to, they have a whole thing about setting up your mic, how to get your road castor pro to work with it. Tons of stuff you can find out more. Also always at All right. We got to keep moving, cause man, we’re already halfway through and we’ll go real quickly about this one because Grace tells me this all the time.

[00:30:23] Maybe you need counseling. Let’s talk about that. Grace, I know you had some questions about counseling. So go ahead.

[00:30:32] Grace Duffy: I did. So there, over the last two years, there’ve been a lot of friendships and communities that have quite frankly been devastated for many reasons. And for that as, for some that has meant a profound loss of close ties grief, but it’s probably even as simple as Hey, that group, they used to meet every Wednesday night fell out of the habit and they just haven’t gotten into it.

[00:30:55] And you’ve lost that sense of community. You’ve lost those support systems and either way, whatever, we’re all going through, we’re all having to balance our mental health along with our careers. And, we’ve talked a lot about coaches, but coaches are not counseling. Some are some coaches are counselors like you, Anthony, but not all coaches are counselors and they probably should not be taking the place of a counselor and coaches and counselors are not exactly necessarily your friends.

[00:31:26] So how do you know when, what you actually need maybe counseling or another form of support over coaching? Because I know there’s a tendency to say, you’re talking about these problems of oh, I have this problem. Like I just need more growth in my business, but really the problem is that you’re lonely.

[00:31:43] And you’re looking for someone to talk to you. I’m not saying that this is something that I personally experienced, but it is something I personally experienced.

When Do Need Counseling VS Coaching?

[00:31:53] Anthony Witt: So the question is

[00:31:54] Jeff Sieh: what’s the difference between a counselor and a coach?

[00:31:56] Grace Duffy: Yeah. Yeah. Like how do you know that? What you need as a counselor instead of.

[00:32:01] Anthony Witt: So I’m going to use the non, this is non a psychological language. And I would say the difference. This is the way that I’ve described to people. What I do when you come into counseling, typically you are, and I’ll use this example.

[00:32:15] It may sound gruesome, but I’ll use this example later on with masterminds too. You come in and bloody beading, beaten and torn up. And so as a counselor, part of my job is to not put the band-aids on you, but is to help you see where you’re bleeding. Oh, I’m bleeding there. I didn’t even realize I was bleeding there.

[00:32:37] And so my job as a counselor is to walk alongside you and to help you see what is already there to pull on little strings. And if something comes out on no strings, just so slowly pull on that and you’ll start to see it. So it’s the revelation again? I say again, I don’t think I said this yet. So let’s say for the first time.

[00:32:58] It depends on what therapeutic approach you’re using as well, which we don’t have time to get into that at all. But generally speaking, most counselors in America use the therapeutic approach that is, is relational. And I’m going to walk alongside you and I’m going to help you see what’s already right there in front of you, right?

[00:33:16] Yeah. Little poles. And so I’m doing, it’s helping me. And so you start putting the band-aid on. I didn’t put the bandaid on. All I did was pull and said, oh man what’s there you’re bleeding. So you start putting the band-aids on what a coach does. This is really oversimplification of both of these things with what a coach does is the coach takes it to the next level.

[00:33:37] The coach is okay, you’re all bandaged up. Let’s start working on therapy. Let’s start running. I know we said coaching therapy, the same thing. Counseling and therapy, but it’s hard to do therapy in the sense of we’re going to do two miles. Like today is a two mile. Then I’m going to help you do two miles.

[00:33:51] You needed two miles. And so they’re helping you along the way there you’re increasing your capacities.

[00:34:00] Jeff Sieh: So this is a great thing from integrate. And and this is I think a good point he says is a counselor, someone who helps you articulate what you’re feeling and thinking to work out what’s deep down and causing you the issues you might be feeling.

[00:34:16] Is that, what will you say counselor is

[00:34:19] Anthony Witt: Anthony? I can agree with that.

[00:34:24] Jeff Sieh: Okay. You didn’t seem too excited about it.

[00:34:27] Anthony Witt: No. So it what you hear in my voice. And so this is like me therapizing myself almost is the fight within counseling as to what counseling is and what therapy that’s what you, that’s the hesitation you hear.

[00:34:42] But yes, no. So another simple way to put it is counseling is helping on a psychologically mental, a belief, thoughts, actions, and coaching is helping you take action towards something.

[00:34:53] Jeff Sieh: Okay. Perfect. That makes a lot of sense.

[00:34:56] Grace Duffy: Yeah. That’s it.

[00:34:58] Jeff Sieh: We’re going to this we’re repurposing, but a marker in it.

[00:35:00] There we go. All right, I’ll see you later. There you go. That’s what we need

[00:35:03] Grace Duffy: to do. You’ve done your job. We got our one quote and there, and just there to your point, you said this earlier, but there’s a lot of different types of counseling, a lot of different types of therapy and one that works for one person may not work for another.

[00:35:16] Just a general blanket statement.

[00:35:19] Jeff Sieh: And on this point, let’s just wrap up, we’ll wrap up this section, cause I really do want to talk a lot about masterminds. The, what you should look for in a counselor. So I’m assuming you need to look for not just somebody who say hangs out at shingle. It says they’re like a counselor, but somebody who’s a licensed professional counselor, is that what we need to look for?

[00:35:35] Anthony?

[00:35:38] Anthony Witt: I can’t say anything, but yes, to that, even if I want to say something different counsel.

[00:35:45] Jeff Sieh: Gotcha.

What You Should Look For In A Counselor

[00:35:46] Anthony Witt: The answer, what you’re looking at in the counselor, there is similarities too, because counselors focus on I’ll, I have two primary focuses as a counselor, my primary focuses. I do marriage and family with my wife.

[00:36:01] We work together, both of us in the same room. And then I personally am best with businessmen. And so that’s my focus. Do I see business women? Yeah, I do. Do I see a 16 year old girls and 95 year old men? Yeah, I do. I have both of them, but my focus is businessman because that’s what I’m best at. That’s not a slight businesswoman at all, but that’s just what I’m best at and marriage couples, but it’s specifically business Mary.

[00:36:31] So people that own their own businesses, whether the woman owns her own. Couples. And so I would encourage people to look at the information that you can find about these people, a good place for this is actually psychology today. Wait, did I say that right? Yeah. I’m trying to think that was the right platform.

[00:36:51] And all it is a, it’s like a, it’s not a, it’s not a oh my goodness, I’m having a that’s all right.

[00:37:06] It’s just a database of counselors and not all counselors are on there. My mentor is not on there, but a lot of counselors are, so my point being, and what they do is they just write a bio. Like this is who I see. This is what I normally look at. And so that’s a good place to platforms like that. If we are taught to see all people and legally are basically bound to see all types of people.

[00:37:30] So you could go to any. But some people are going to be better at it to be looking to have expertise in certain areas where others don’t.

[00:37:39] Jeff Sieh: Okay. That’s awesome. So counseling, we’re diving deep in. Did you ever think of that? We I’m so excited. We were able to just show like this. I’m just, it’s just super happy.

[00:37:49] Our next question is actually brought to us by volley. And, we’ve been talking about it a couple of times in this past couple of shows where you can actually ask your questions, we’ve got a community over there. You can leave video or just audio or actually just a text and you interact with community and you can actually ask questions that we can bring on the show.

[00:38:07] And so we have our friend Mitch dong, who asked a question and you can do it yourself at Social Media News, Live dot com slash chat. So Social Media News, Live dot com for it’s less chat. We’ll take you right to our volley. We would love to talk to you guys over there. I know Gary and some of the other people are really great participants over there, but I’m going to play Mitch’s question and then Anthony will be able to answer it.

[00:38:32] Mitch Dong: Jeff and Anthony, I’m really looking forward to the show question for someone who’s never explored masterminds, coaching one-on-one or group coaching. What would you recommend people start with? And if the answer is, it depends on which I suspect it might be. What questions should we be asking ourselves when considering what’s right for us looking forward to it.

What Should We Look For In A Coaching or Mastermind Program?

[00:38:51] Jeff Sieh: All right, Anthony, what do you say to old Mitch?

[00:38:56] Anthony Witt: I say the simple answer is you start with masterminds because a mastermind is a community. That’s going to go with you. You may switch mastermind groups throughout your life, but really what you’re looking for is a community, right? A key word or a popular word is you’re looking for a tribe.

[00:39:17] And so I say, you go with masterminds first, and this is not a question that was asked there, but part of the reason that we have masterminds of the needs for masterminds, cause the breakdown of local relationships. If I had those little relationships locally and you can have masterminds local, but if I had those relationships locally and in the communities that I exist, I might not need masterminds, but right now we do, we need these in society right now.

[00:39:44] So I would say you start with masterminds because in my opinion, coaching and even therapy is a process that you work through. You move on from I’m of the understanding and belief structure that yeah, you may move on from a mastermind group for a variety of reasons, but ultimately what you’re looking for the long lasting relationship, because masterminds don’t work in an hour and they don’t work in a month and they don’t work in three months or six months or a year.

[00:40:17] They work over a longevity spectrum of time.

[00:40:23] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so full disclosure and one of the reasons I want to have Anthony on he and I, and Eric Fisher have been in a mastermind group for, gosh, it’s over five years. It’s probably getting closer to 10 onsite

[00:40:38] Anthony Witt: And close to eight or nine.

[00:40:40] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. So we meet every Monday.

[00:40:43] And we only get to see each other in real life. Probably what once or twice a year. And it’s usually at a conference somewhere, but it’s like the conversation continues. And Anthony, I want you to why, because he’s a counselor. He could go and get, and he is part of these amazing masterminds outside of I’m like, so why do you keep coming back to Anthony to Eric and I’s mastermind?

[00:41:05] What is the appeal? I’m putting you on the spot here, but I wanna, I want know if, all of our phones

[00:41:10] Anthony Witt: yeah. Specifically with you guys is I don’t have that perspective anywhere else in my life. I don’t. And I, to your point, Eric, I’m in a cup by the

[00:41:25] Jeff Sieh: way.

[00:41:26] Anthony Witt: I’m

[00:41:28] Grace Duffy: sorry.

Why Do You Continue In A Mastermind?

[00:41:31] Anthony Witt: I’m in multiple other mastermind groups.

[00:41:34] One of the reasons I keep coming back to you guys specifically is because I don’t have your perspectives anywhere else in my life. Right now. That’s the short answer. Like I don’t have that. I just don’t have that perspective. That’s a short answer and there’s been a development. So this is the longevity part.

[00:41:53] There’s been a development of vulnerability for both of you. I know things about the two of you that maybe your wife’s don’t know, now we move towards, like telling, like we move towards those things, right? Hey, this is probably something you should have a conversation with her, or but then you develop into, so maybe the second part of that, if I think a little bit deeper is there’s been a develop a relationship.

[00:42:22] So I can come to you when I have this problem, or I have this issue and you’ll know here’s the thing should I buy a million dollar house? If I asked the two of you that question, neither one of you could probably answer that Jeff would be the only one that could probably answer it because you don’t know my situation.

[00:42:41] I might be like I’ve got $10 in my bank account. I make $10 a month. I probably shouldn’t, you don’t know all the details of my life. So you can’t really give me advice on that. Someone that I spend a lot of time with it as I’ve disclosed those things to can give me helpful advice. And you guys have that ability cause more about me.

[00:43:01] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. And I think it’s yeah. Go ahead. Good.

[00:43:03] Grace Duffy: Yeah, go ahead.

[00:43:05] Jeff Sieh: Oh, I was going to say, I think the reason that, one of the things is we’re talking about how to find a mastermind group, which is, I think a lot of people struggle. Are started with, we went to, I think it was podcasts San Diego, and we were all podcasters at the time and we talked about it and then we started and we started meeting and then we were part of another group and we decided let’s do our own.

[00:43:31] And we moved to that and then we just continue. And then if you got my email newsletter this week, I actually have a picture of us. We like went to Disney world together to Galaxy’s edge and hung out. And so there’s, the friendship has developed. And if something happens, like if something happened in Anthony’s by, we talk about it and, pray for each other or whatever and build each other up.

[00:43:53] And I think the other thing that really is important with a mastermind, it’s what you said that you can’t find it locally. And for me and Anthony, I’ve talked about this a lot. We all had growth mindsets. Like we want to do things. We have these dreams and we want to grow. And a lot of times around me in my local community, they work at a big Eastman chemical company.

[00:44:15] They go to meetings and they get their 401k and that’s all they want and that’s fine, but that’s not what I wanted. And I had to fight and I was really struggling until I found the people who had that growth mindset around me. And I think dad is super important as finding those people who can spur you on towards that.

[00:44:30] Am I just making stuff up out of the air? There’s

Using A Mastermind To Find Your People

[00:44:32] Anthony Witt: that? That’s true. No. So you’re you bring so there is I recently moved from a very rural community to a, not so rural community, a metropolitan area. And in the rural community, I thought, Hey, here’s a business person over here. Who’s got a couple of businesses.

[00:44:53] Let me like connect with them. They still didn’t have the growth, developmental mindset. And so I couldn’t find that locally. So I know it talked about, you can have it locally, but you have to really be looking for people that have you had the right word, right? The growth mindset. If they don’t have that, it’s very hard to see.

[00:45:13] It’s very hard to connect with those people because it’s hard to share your vulnerabilities of, Hey, I’m going to do this thing. I want to try this thing over here and have them not just squash it. It might be the dumbest idea you’ve ever said he might squash it, but you can take their advice because what they’ve done is they’ve, I liken it to a formation of the therapeutic relationship.

[00:45:38] They’re able to hold you and tell you the honest truth because there’s no, this is why a coach is great. This is also why masterminds are great. This is where a therapist can be. Great. Not necessarily why therapists are great is because I can tell you the truth and I don’t have any masterminds is more this way.

[00:45:55] I don’t have any intention here. My intention is for you to be. Even if I’m paying to be a part of mastermind, a mastermind group, I’m telling you the truth, because I want to tell you the truth. I don’t have a, I’m not, you’re not part of my board. You’re not my employee. You’re out of business associated as far as I make money because you do certain things the way you do them.

[00:46:18] You’re not a spouse. What’s my motivation. My motivation is for you to succeed. That’s it? Like I don’t have any other motivations.

[00:46:26] Jeff Sieh: And I think it was because the whole thing. Like I couldn’t, nobody here knows what they don’t eat. They say, I think I go and play on Facebook all day. I’m like, that’s not, I need my people to talk to because they understand me.

[00:46:39] Even, I think Jody, doesn’t, my wife doesn’t understand what I do, which that has been the whole focus of our marriage. And we probably need to talk to you, Anthony, but anyway, Grace, you had a question.

[00:46:49] I know

[00:46:50] Grace Duffy: what you do, Jeff. Great, nice. Yeah. Everyone just thinks we’re internet famous, which is fine.

[00:46:56] And has this question, it’s Eddie says I’m going to combine all of the questions we have here for you. So the problem with masterminds is it’s really difficult to find a really good one. And I think I know what he means because there isn’t necessarily a psychology database of masterminds.

[00:47:13] And so the question is how do you find people or a mastermind that are. As committed as you might be or serious as you might be, or like you’re talking about this growth mindset that share the same mindset that you want to emulate, incorporate you want to share in. And, it’s hard to find, I think it’s, there’s this sense that it is hard to find that you can’t just Google mastermind and be like, oh, here’s a good one, or here, let me recommend this because a lot of the masterminds that I know about are like, okay, these three guys, or these five guys, or these group of women, they meet together and it’s we’re set.

[00:47:51] And so where do you find yours?

How Do You Find A Mastermind Group?

[00:47:58] Anthony Witt: If you can’t find one in spare one, which is not the answer, actually, that I prefer for people the mastermind NC, right? So we get the word, at least primarily we get the word from Napoleon hill, this concept of bringing together A variety of experts to share and give opinions from different directions.

[00:48:25] That’s what we’re trying to do with a mastermind. And so it’s, we were talking about coaching, still working through the process of licensing certification and it’s, it may have a hundred years on it, but it’s still working on developing what it looks like and in its infancy same thing with masterminds.

[00:48:47] They’re still in their infancy as far as application. And I see them only growing because of, again, the breakdown of community. And I’m not, this is not, that’s not a political statement, I don’t think, but there’s a breakdown of community. Some of that has to do with even this even technology.

[00:49:06] Like I know COVID was some people were like, this is amazing because they, my house and I can meet all these people online and I would say, yeah, that’s great. I can say at home and I can put all these masks on and I don’t actually have to be a real person. Yeah. And so that breakdown, we are yearning, I say, as a society, but I’ll go as far as to say as a world for connection and for genuine connection.

[00:49:34] And so that happens in vulnerability, in the problem with vulnerability is as soon as I’m vulnerable, someone’s going to stab me in the back. And so we need to find, I’m not answering your question. And actually, as I think about this, we need to find the people that wants to have us in the back. When I show them my little wound or when I show them my vulnerability, when I showed them my inconsistency.

[00:49:54] So to, to, as far as mastermind groups go if you’re not going to start your own, let’s not start there. Let’s go with the other side and say, there’s already ones that are established. If there are status mastermind groups, you need to be looking for them because to be honest with you, a lot of them aren’t advertised.

[00:50:11] When I found my mastermind group, I actually heard it on. I reached out to the expert because I had reached out to some other experts. I call them experts because, maybe they were internet famous. Maybe they’re podcasts famous and there was no space for me. And so I just kept looking and kept Hasking.

[00:50:30] Cause I knew I wanted that Napoleon hill concept of a mastermind. And so you just keep asking, keep looking, and if that’s not going to work, then you start your own group. I am a fan of paid groups. I believe that psychology of money is a huge contributor to paid groups. So I’m also a fan of a facilitator personally.

[00:50:58] So you might get together a group of friends and hire a facilitator. And what does that mean? All that means is, and actually the best person to be a facilitator is in my, this is my opinion is somebody that’s has psychological training because with all. I sit back, listen and pull people in that need to be pulled in.

[00:51:15] Like I had a mastermind group and I had an 80 year old and I had a 20 year old. Most people be like, oh my goodness, that’s horrible. That’s a problem. I know it was fantastic because most of the people were in the wool. We’re in that middle age group from like 30 to 50. And we, I would literally stop the call sometimes and say, Hey, you Mr.

[00:51:34] Year old, what is your opinion on that subject? And he it, and then I’d say, Hey, 20 year-old, yours will be different. You don’t even have to tell me it’s different. Tell me exactly what your opinion is. And it was phenomenal because of that variance. And so I’m a fan of facilitators and facilitators are not leaders.

[00:51:52] They’re just facilitators. All they’re doing is bringing together and pulling in the information that needs to be pulled. It’s like counselors, and pulling that string a little bit. But when I pull that string, now there’s 5, 6, 7, 10 other people in the group. To comment on that and give their opinion from their perspective.

[00:52:10] And I think psychology of money, right? We have sunk cost bias. So if I’m paying to be a part of this, I’m going to be part of it. And it works. So if the three of us were in a mastery, where am I going to say, Grace, I’m paying to be part of this. You need to show up, like I’m paying for your advice. Yeah.

[00:52:26] Jeff, same thing, right? So there’s, I’m paying for this. And so I just, I believe in the psychology of money. And so I think it’s important, Jeff and I mean in full disclosure, Jeff and I, and Eric, we don’t have a financial agreement and we’ve made it work, but I am a fan of the financial side because of what money does to motivations.

[00:52:49] Jeff Sieh: So on, on that point, let’s say you do start a free mastermind because there’s a great question that I’m going to jump ahead, grace, to your question because we’re running out of time. But what are you do? When people in the mastermind artists committed to Jew and we had this, we’ve done this, kick them out or leave and start your own.

[00:53:06] Yeah.

How Do You Handle People Who Aren’t Pulling Their Weight In A Mastermind Group?

[00:53:07] Anthony Witt: If you’re going to start a mastermind group and I don’t care if it’s paid or not paid, you should have some standards. You need to have rules. Mike, someone wants to start a group, reach out to me. I’ll absolutely give you what I think the standards and rules should be. You need to show up, you need to be a part of this.

[00:53:23] You need to be committed. You need to give us the hour like you need. If it’s virtual, you need to have your face on screen as much as possible because I’m trying to build a relationship with you. And I’m going to build a better relationship. If you’re on screen, you need to show up. You need to come prepared, right?

[00:53:39] If it’s your turn to be, depending on how that structure of the group is because there’s multiple different ways to structure a mastermind group. If the group structure is you’re going to be a person in the middle, you’re going to be the person that’s going to dispose this week. We expect you to be prepared because I’m giving my time to give you my advice.

[00:53:54] And so simple is had that understanding upfront so that you can remove those people. Or you say this isn’t working for. I’m going to move on. You guys have some, so I think Grace, one of your frustrations, you were talking before the show becomes it more through a mastermind group, into a social club.

[00:54:19] Yeah. And in a lot of, especially people that are business, most growth mindset, we’re not looking for a social club. I might come some week and say guys or however, the group is structured. I’m having this problem with my kid. I really need help. You can help me because we have a relationship, but if we’re not social club, so determining on what your strengths is, topical, we’re not going to get to, because we’ll have a couple minutes is what is the structure of a mastermind group?

[00:54:46] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. So on that point, that, this last question from my friend, Mia Vos, thanks me for chiming in today, she goes, do you think the facilitator role should rotate within the mastermind group because you talked about having a good facilitator.

[00:54:56] Phil, you can still rotate and still have a facilitator, right? Is that

Who Facilitates A Mastermind Group?

[00:55:02] Anthony Witt: yeah. So I run some groups where I am the paid facilitator, right? Yeah. I get paid to be military, but the group members actually rotate facilitation because that’s actually a strength. And so one of the ways that I do this or that it’s done with me is you’re facilitating this week.

[00:55:22] So it means you’re running the group. I am there to help you learn that skillset. So maybe later on, on the call and say, Hey, you could have tried it this way that might’ve worked better. Or I can even private text message and say, Hey, don’t forget about this. Maybe we make it this way again, just my suggestions.

[00:55:36] So you’re learning a skillset, but also you’re sitting in a quote-unquote seat of leadership in the group, and that helps as well. So I’m a fan of rotating, but some people are, do not have the capacity yet. And so they need to learn that capacity once they learn that can absolutely rotate. I think it’s helpful to have a quote unquote leader.

[00:55:56] Yeah of the group to, to hold the glues together as they fall apart.

[00:56:03] Grace Duffy: So I have one professional, there’s a professional, there are professional facilitators as well. I’ve done this training through junior league here in the county. I live in and there are actual professional facilitators. And in the training I did, it was about someone who wasn’t part of the process.

[00:56:19] They were like this is weird term, but like they birthed the process, it was like a midwife or a surrogate where they were like, you were doing all the work, but they were there just to support you and help you. So there are also people that are professional facilitators and that’s what they do.

[00:56:35] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. So Anthony, you have a couple minutes. Did we score. Yeah, because a lot of times he’ll just leave. He has to, he has a hard cutoff at our mastermind site. I needed to ask good. Cause so we’re having some ch some great conversation in the chat. And I think this is we’ve struck a nerve.

[00:56:52] And I think I would just one more kind of question or comment. So Ian brings up this point oh this is the one I wanted, sorry, wrong one. He says, it’s about money, arguably it’s at the start of your business journey. It’s when you need a mastermind or a coach the most, and that’s when money can be tough.

[00:57:10] And then he goes on to say, when I first started my business years ago, I had zero money. A coach would have been a game changer, but it just wasn’t an option. So what do you tell these people who are desperate for a mastermind or in coaching and some help, what we’ve been talking about? And, I totally give credit for where I’m at in my business, from our mastermind that we have and the other ones that I’ve had.

[00:57:34] So I know it’s super important and people want that. What do you tell people? I just don’t, I this they’re wanting to make, they’re charging like a thousand dollars a month. I know it’s a great mastermind, but there’s no way I can pay for that. What do you tell people who say money is an issue?

I Want To Join A Mastermind But Money is An Issue. Help!

[00:57:49] Anthony Witt: So there’s two different things there. You have the coaching side and you have the, in the code and the mastermind side. So from a therapeutic standpoint, one of the things we do is we do not see people for free. I don’t care if you’re on food stamps and the government’s paying you everything. We don’t see you for free because I go back to the psychology of money and say, if you bring me $5, my wife used to work for a government agency for like DCFS with child protective services and stuff like that.

[00:58:16] And they would still make them pay $5. I think that was the lowest. Maybe it would, there was even a $2 charge. And so when it comes to coaching, I’d say the same thing. Yeah. You might not be able to hide. I’m trying to think of a super high coach. For some reason, the only thing I can come in my head right now is like John Maxwell.

[00:58:35] I don’t even know if he coaches but like some, Hey, it’s, I’m $5,000 a month. Yeah. You can’t hire that person, but you might be able to find somebody that doesn’t even know that they have the capacity to be a coach and hire them. I don’t know enough about Grace, about your everything you do and know some of the stuff you do, but I might be able to go to grace and be like, Grace, and I’m this person, I appreciate you all this stuff.

[00:59:03] I want to hire you to do this. And so I’m developing a relationship and then again, I might not be able to pay her, but I might be able to say, I can do this for you. This is what I’m looking for. So I’ll give you, this is not quite an answer to this question, but a little bit currently I told you about my fighter pilot coach that I have, right.

[00:59:24] He was not coaching. What happened was I went to a seminar and he spoke, I went up to him afterwards and I said, I want to hire you as my coach. He said, I’m not really doing coaching. I said, great. I want to hire you as my coach. This is what I want to do with you in the sandwich. I’m going to pay you. I’m paying him like probably an eighth of what he deserves, because he didn’t even know that he could have been a good coach, but he was a perfect coach for me because he has and does what I needed.

[00:59:54] So I don’t want to say I develop his coaching practice for him, but that’s what he’s doing now because Anthony did something. But because he has the skillset that I needed. So look for the skill set and people that you know, that either are offering coaching or aren’t. And even at that low level, learn how to budget for it.

[01:00:11] $5. I was talking $5. Like I had somebody the other day who said this, we’re working in our mastermind with people that might lose a huge contract or might lose. Financial income. And we’re saying, what do we do? Those people they’ve been in our groups for so long. What do we do with them? And so we have a benevolent fund and we were working through that.

[01:00:32] And one of the other facilitators or leadership people I was working with said, Hey, I was in that spot. You guys know I was in the spot. I didn’t have any money. I’m going to argue that if you don’t make it a priority, then it’s not a priority. Then you don’t need it. You can sell the baseball hat that you have on your head for $2 on Instagram or w or Etsy.

[01:00:51] I don’t care. And bring me the $2. It’s not about me getting the money or whoever getting money. It’s about you placing value on it and you place value on it. You’re going to do it. So now come to the mastermind side, that’s where you probably start your own group. You start to find people like I got in the group with you guys.

[01:01:09] Jeff and I was the outsider. I’m trying to think of everybody who’s in that group. Yeah, I was for sure. The outsider at that point, my show had. Two or three episodes. All of you guys were like podcasts, geniuses. See,

[01:01:22] Jeff Sieh: I would argue that you didn’t know you’re talking about cause I was less, you had more followers than I did.

[01:01:27] I was, yeah, I did. I’m guaranteed. I just started mainly picture ships. I guarantee you see that’s the

[01:01:34] Anthony Witt: thing. You guys were the experts. And so we got together and I was this outside guy who just happened to be in the right spot and ask the questions, going back to way at the beginning of our call solve the problem.

[01:01:47] Experts have problems to people you want to be around, have problems too. And if you can solve them, They’re going to there mentally. We’ll put you in a place in their brain and they’ll come back to you.

[01:02:00] Jeff Sieh: Okay. We are at the end of our time, but I’m going to throw an audible out here. So I, this is a, it seems like a BS subject that a lot of people it’s touching a big nerve with people are struggling to find a mastermind.

[01:02:11] I’m going to offer that you DME, if you are interested in starting a mastermind, maybe Anthony and I could work on something together where we can partner together. This is not planned. I’m just throwing this out. So he can say, no right here, live on here. But maybe helping you guys facilitate that, even if it’s for a short amount of time or whatever, because I really believe in the power of masterminds and how they’ve changed my life.

[01:02:33] So if you’re interested in that, shoot me a DM,

[01:02:36] Grace Duffy: What’d be really interesting is, we have this volley group. Maybe we could set up a group. That’s just mastermind speed dating. Like you just say what you’re looking for. Go do.

[01:02:45] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so I’m open to anything. I know Anthony is a as well, so let me pull up the here the volley Social Media News Live dot com for as I chat, but as we in the show, because this has been a great show today.

[01:02:59] Thank you guys for all your questions. I, hopefully we provided a lot of value. I know I got a lot out of it. But Anthony, where can we find out more about all things Anthony wit?

Where to Find More About Anthony Witt

[01:03:12] Anthony Witt: So my platform is built on relationships. It’s not built on social media. It’s not a matter of fact. I’ve abandoned everything you guys are doing.

[01:03:21] And what I mean by that is I’m on relationships. And so Anthony our, our counseling and she is My contact information is there. Yeah, I’ve got another cell phone that you’re not going to get, but you can contact me. And if this stuff comes directly to me or to one of the people that I use because my.

[01:03:44] My business, which we didn’t really talk about, which is totally fine, is built on relationships of business owners. So reach out to me at those spots.

[01:03:55] Jeff Sieh: Awesome. And where can we find all things amazing. Grace Duffy, you can

[01:04:00] Grace Duffy: find me. Every week with Jeff, except when I’m not much, I like to we’ll be here next week.

[01:04:04] What are you doing next week? What’s your show about, we were talking all

[01:04:07] Jeff Sieh: about we’re having a Pinterest tailwind is coming on and talking all about some trends that they have seen in social media, not just Pinterest, but they do a lot of stuff on Instagram as well. So it’s going to be a really great show cause it got a lot of cool data.

[01:04:19] So we’ll be talking all about that, but I wanted to give a big shout out to all our friends. Dustin stout, Gary Stockton Yvonne was on here. Ian Anderson, gray asked some great question, DJ strick. It’s good to see you there. He says, yes. I need to find a group DJ hit us up. We’ll see what we can help out with because it really does make a huge difference.

[01:04:38] So thank you guys so much for joining us today. You can always find us on Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, Amazon live. Our next show is Friday, April 22nd. 11:00 AM. Eastern 10:00 AM central. Thank you so much, Anthony. Thank you guys for watching. We will see you guys next time.

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