“Can you jump on a Zoom really quick?”

Like it or not, for many of us, Zoom has become part of the way that we work online.

I don’t know about you, but when I host a meeting, the last thing that I want is for people to be bored or tune out while I’m talking.

So, how can we take our online Zoom meetings to the next level?

If the idea of creating another lame Zoom meeting makes you throw up in your mouth a little, you NEED to watch!

We’ll be chatting with Doc Rock from Ecamm and Andy Carluccio, head of client innovation at Zoom, about the new Ecamm and Zoom integration.


Add Some Boom to your Zoom With This Ecamm Integration

In this episode, we dive deep into an exciting new integration between Ecamm and Zoom. Now, if you’ve ever been frustrated by the limitations of virtual meetings or struggled to make your webinars more engaging, this one’s for you. We’re talking about turning your ordinary Zoom calls into professional-grade broadcasts. Think of it as upgrading from a tricycle to a Harley—everything’s about to get a whole lot smoother and more powerful.

Joining me to introduce this game-changing integration are Andy Carluccio, Head of Client Innovation at Zoom and Doc Rock, Ecamm’s champion of making complex tech feel like a breeze. Together, we unpack how this powerful combo can elevate your virtual meetings, webinars, and remote productions.

Zoom and Ecamm Integration Overview

Let’s kick things off with the star of the show: the seamless integration of Ecamm and Zoom. This powerful combination allows you to elevate your virtual meetings to a professional level with minimal effort. The beauty of this integration is that it feels intuitive and straightforward. You don’t need to learn new tools; if you know Zoom and Ecamm, you’re all set to go. Imagine being able to whip up a gourmet meal using ingredients you already have in your pantry—no extra trips to the store required.

Zoom’s reliability and widespread familiarity pair perfectly with Ecamm’s advanced features. Whether you’re hosting a simple meeting or a full-scale webinar, you can benefit from both Zoom’s user-friendly interface and Ecamm’s professional tools. The integration supports multi-camera setups, custom overlays, and real-time monitoring, all within the Ecamm environment. This not only simplifies your workflow but also expands your creative possibilities, helping you deliver engaging, high-quality content effortlessly.

Enhance Your User Experience with Ecamm and Zoom

This integration dramatically reduces friction because, let’s face it, everyone and their grandma knows how to use Zoom. By bringing all the familiar Zoom features directly into Ecamm, it becomes a natural extension of what you already know. 

Actionable Steps: Simplify Your Workflow

  • Use Your Existing Accounts: Sign in to Ecamm with your existing Zoom account. This eliminates the need for additional logins or new software learning curves.
  • Seamless Meeting Management: Manage your Zoom meetings directly within Ecamm without switching between applications. This integration ensures all your meetings, regardless of account type, can benefit from Ecamm’s features.
  • Send a Zoom Link to Guests: If you are hosting an interview or a meeting, you can send your guests a Zoom link. They don’t have to worry about learning how to use Ecamm; they just join via Zoom as usual, making the process simple and stress-free for them.

Resolution and Bandwidth

Doc Rock emphasized that bandwidth, rather than resolution, is the key factor for picture quality. While many equate higher resolution with better quality, it’s actually the bandwidth that determines the clarity and smoothness of the video. Even at 360p, a good bandwidth can provide a satisfactory viewing experience. He illustrated this by explaining that having 60 frames per second is useless if your bandwidth can’t support it.

  • Increased Bandwidth: Streaming a video in 1080p at 60fps requires significantly more bandwidth compared to lower resolutions and frame rates. This is why Doc emphasized the importance of bandwidth for maintaining video quality. If your bandwidth can’t handle the data load, the video will buffer, drop frames, or reduce in quality.
  • Optimization: Zoom automatically adjusts resolution and frame rate based on the available bandwidth to ensure a stable viewing experience. This is why you might see a drop in resolution or frame rate if your internet connection isn’t strong enough.

Ecamm inherits the properties of your existing Zoom account. If you sign in with a free basic Zoom account, your meetings will be limited to 360p resolution and 40 minutes. With a pro account, you can have up to 720p resolution; with a business account, you can have up to 1080p resolution and longer meeting durations, even up to 30 hours. These decisions are made by Zoom based on the account type and bandwidth.

Actionable Steps: Maximize Video Quality

  • Request Higher Resolution: If you have a business account, you can request 720p from Zoom support for a pro account and 1080p for a business account to enhance your video quality.
  • Optimize Bandwidth: Ensure your internet connection is robust enough to support high-definition streaming. Use a wired connection whenever possible for stability. 
  • Repurposing: Ecamm records the quality that Zoom provides, so if you want the best resolution for repurposing, you’ll want to have a paid account.

Mixed Minus

One of the standout features of this integration is how it handles audio. Andy  explained that Ecamm takes care of all the mixed minus setup automatically. This means you won’t hear your own voice echoed back during a meeting, avoiding the dreaded feedback loop. You can listen to other participants, sound effects, and any applied audio enhancements without the hassle of manually configuring audio settings.

Advanced Audio and Guest Management

Andy clarified that the integration doesn’t limit the number of participants in a Zoom meeting. Zoom supports up to a thousand participants, and this integration does not change that. However, the number of guests whose video you can pull into Ecamm simultaneously is limited to eight. But, you can manage this effectively using a round-robin approach.

  • Round Robin: You can rotate guests in and out of the active scene. For example, if you have more than eight guests, you can keep some in the “green room” and bring them into the scene as needed. This flexibility allows you to handle large meetings or webinars without overwhelming the visual layout.
  • Easy Guest Management: Ecamm makes it easy to add and manage guests. You don’t have to deal with complex setups; just drag and click to add someone to the scene. This streamlined process ensures a smooth experience for both hosts and guests.

Advanced Features and Innovations

We didn’t stop there. Andy and Doc introduced us to some advanced features like breakout rooms, live reactions, and pulling up comments in Zoom. These features bring a new level of engagement and interactivity to your meetings, allowing you to create smaller, interactive groups or use live reactions to engage your audience in real-time.

Strategies for Advanced Features

  • Utilize Breakout Rooms for Interactive Sessions: Use breakout rooms to create smaller, interactive groups within your larger meeting. This is perfect for workshops, Q&A sessions, and networking events. Move participants between rooms to facilitate different discussions or activities, keeping your audience engaged and dynamic.
  • Implement Live Reactions: Encourage real-time feedback using Zoom’s live reactions to gauge audience engagement and respond dynamically during your presentation. With live reactions, attendees can give instant feedback during the meeting, which keeps the energy up and helps you gauge engagement. Incorporate live polls, Q&A sessions, and reactions to make your meetings more interactive and engaging.
  • Pull-Up Comments in Zoom: One of the standout features is the ability to pull up comments directly from Zoom during your live broadcast. This feature allows you to display viewer comments on the screen, enhancing engagement by making viewers feel seen and heard. It creates a feedback loop, encouraging more participation and making the session more interactive.

Practical Applications for Ecamm and Zoom Integration

This integration isn’t just about looking good; it’s about functionality. With individual ISO (Isolated) tracks, you can separate audio and video streams for each participant, allowing for flexible editing and repurposing of content across various platforms. Imagine being able to make a highlight reel from your podcast episodes with minimal effort—it’s like having your cake and eating it, too.

Strategies for Leveraging ISO Tracks

  • Create Multi-Purpose Content: Use ISO tracks to separate audio and video streams for each participant. This allows you to repurpose content for YouTube, Instagram, and other social media platforms easily. For instance, you can create short, impactful clips for social media while keeping the full-length content for your podcast or YouTube channel.
  • Enhance Editing Flexibility: With individual tracks, editing becomes more flexible and precise, enabling you to produce polished content for different audiences. Having separate tracks means you can isolate issues or make adjustments without affecting the entire recording.
  • Improve Audio Quality: Podcasters can use ISO tracks to create cleaner, more professional audio files by isolating each speaker’s track. This is especially useful for editing out background noise or interruptions specific to one participant without affecting the others.
  • Dynamic Visual Presentation: Content creators can use the multi-camera setup to switch between different angles during a live broadcast, keeping the visual presentation dynamic and engaging. This feature is particularly beneficial for product demonstrations or interviews, where different perspectives can add depth to the content.

Use Cases for Podcasts, Events, Webinars, and Remote Producers

Integrating Ecamm and Zoom packs a punch with powerful features to boost your virtual meetings, podcasts, webinars, and remote productions. By combining the best of both platforms, you can create top-notch content with minimal fuss. From remote guests to exclusive community content, the possibilities are endless. Here are some practical use cases and strategies we talked about in the show:

Remote Guests: Zoom’s ability to bring in remote guests from anywhere in the world opens up new possibilities for panel discussions and interviews. This allows podcasters to host high-quality, engaging shows without requiring guests to be physically present.

Easily Manage Audio-Only Guests: Create a placeholder graphic in Ecamm for audio-only guests to maintain a professional look. Doc Rock suggested using a head silhouette (like in the news) or the guest’s image to help make the disembodied voice less awkward and more engaging for viewers. (Pro tip: include it behind their video anyway, just in case their video drops.)

Bringing Experts from the Audience: If another expert in your audience is camera-ready, it’s now super easy to bring them onto your show (just send them the link) for a spontaneous discussion, adding more value and insights for your audience.

Exclusive Content: Create a pre-show or after-show that is exclusive to your paid members. Mention this exclusive content during the main podcast to generate FOMO and encourage more listeners to join your membership program.

Special Access with Breakout Rooms: After the main podcast, invite audience members to join the screen for an interactive after-party session. This allows members to ask questions and engage with guests directly, enhancing the overall experience and fostering a sense of community.

Showcasing Production Talents: Demonstrate your remote production capabilities during a discovery call with a client. All within Ecamm, you can pull up graphics, walk clients through proposals, and show them the potential of your production services.

Minimize Distractions: During live events or webinars, keep speakers together in one breakout room to ensure they can communicate and coordinate without distractions from the larger audience. Meanwhile, attendees remain engaged in the main gallery room.

Utilize Zoom Features: Leverage Zoom’s AI companion to take notes while you’re recording and use the whiteboard feature to increase engagement.

Enhancing Webinar Production Value: Increase the production value of your webinars by using Ecamm’s tools to control visuals, manage who is on screen, and add elements like sound effects and lower thirds. This makes your webinars look and feel more professional, ensuring your audience perceives the content as valuable.

Award Show Management: For events like award shows, use breakout rooms to manage nominees and winners. Have all nominees in one breakout room and move them to a different breakout room when announcing the winners. This approach keeps the event organized and allows for a seamless flow during transitions.

Remote Reporting: Utilize Zoom and Ecamm for live events by having a remote reporter on the ground at a conference. They can join the Zoom meeting via a mobile device and be brought into the main broadcast for live updates and interviews, providing dynamic, on-the-ground coverage that enhances the viewer experience.

Final Thoughts On Elevating Your Virtual Events with Ecamm and Zoom

By tapping into these strategies and features, you can take your virtual content to the next level. Whether you’re podcasting, hosting live shows, conducting webinars, or managing remote productions, the Ecamm and Zoom integration provides the tools you need to create compelling, professional, and engaging experiences. It’s time to elevate your content and wow your audience with the seamless capabilities of this powerful integration.

Community and Interaction

One of the highlights of our discussion was the importance of community support. Practicing remote production within the Ecamm community is a fantastic way to build your skills. Engaging with other Ecamm users can provide valuable feedback and help you refine your remote production capabilities. It’s like having a gym buddy who motivates you to push harder and stay consistent.

  • Join Ecamm Live Demos: Participate in the live demo sessions every Friday to learn new features and best practices. (Or just hang out with Doc!)
  • Collaborate and Practice: Connect with other Ecamm users to practice remote production and get feedback. This is a great way to refine your skills and gain confidence.



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[00:00:00] Jeff Sieh: Hello folks, welcome to another edition of Social Media News Live. I am so excited that you’re here. We’ve got all sorts of cool things to talk about today. So we’re, we’re talking about really upgrading your Zoom experience. We’ve all had to use Zoom. Um, if you haven’t been part of Ecamm’s community, they’ve been talking about this all week.

[00:00:20] They saved, I got Doc and Andy here, let’s save the best for last. This is gonna be A ton of fun. So, if you’re wanting to, like, upgrade your Zoom experience, your webinars, remote producing, podcasting, all that stuff, you need to watch this show. And if you know anybody who, you know, that fits the bill, you need to call them in to the conversation down below.

[00:00:39] Call them in wherever you are watching from. We’re going to bring up your questions as many as possible during today’s show because I know there’s a ton of them. I’ve got a ton of them. Um, and so, this is going to be a lot of fun. Doc, how are you doing today, my friend?

[00:00:54] Doc Rock: Man, good, good. It’s been, uh, it’s been a long, a long week going through this, but I guess the fun part is, it’s, I feel like it’s almost over and, and sort of like anticlimactic because we’ve been working on this for a minute, like it’s been a while. And so now it’s here. It’s like, Oh God, let’s go. So yeah, it’s been super cool.

[00:01:13] Jeff Sieh: And Andy, I feel, I was telling him before the show, I was like, I feel like I know him because I’ve seen him like four different times this week on all these different shows. So Andy, thank you so much for being here. This is, I know you guys are both tired. This is kind of been a long stretch, but I’m assuming you’ve learned a lot of things.

[00:01:29] So.

[00:01:30] Andy Carluccio: It’s been a fabulous week. You know, it’s so exciting to see the energy that people are coming back to us with about this integration. Uh, so that’s been probably the most fun part of this journey for me has just been seeing what people are, are out there talking about and excited to try.

[00:01:43] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, it’s gonna be a lot of fun. We got some of our friends popping in today. We got Gary Stockton, uh, who is always, uh, showing up, always doing cool things. This is really interesting. This is a new thing. It’s actually showing YouTube and Restream together, which I’ve never seen before with an icon, so that is interesting when I pull them up.

[00:02:00] Um, and I had multiple people, Doc, email me saying, How’s, that’s like, early for Doc, like, it’s super early in Hawaii, and even Chris messaged me yesterday, like, he must really like you, because he’s on there, but no, I think it’s just part of his job, he wouldn’t do it. Well, maybe he would. Anyway, this is

[00:02:14] Doc Rock: I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t. It’s an ex army thing. I’m used to getting up at, oh, dark 30 or crack in the morning as we call it.

[00:02:21] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so, uh, one of the things I wanted to let you guys know, if you haven’t checked it out yet, I do have my toolbox, it’s a free download, uh, it’s got cool stuff like Ecamm in it, you can find out more about that by going to jeffsieh. com forward slash toolbox. But, um, I’m gonna go ahead, look at all these people popping in, Doc’s saying 5am, uh, Doc’s bandwidth is still waking up is what, uh, Gary was saying, um, and this is very true, Doc does more before 5am than most people do before 530.

[00:02:50] That is very true.

[00:02:51] Doc Rock: That’s the old army commercial.

[00:02:52] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, and my, uh, my friend Rich Watch is saying welcome. Uh, so once again, guys, as we’re going through this, ask your questions. I want to make this show all about you. Uh, and on that note, I’m gonna hit go on the podcast machine, and we will get started. Hello, folks. Welcome to Social Media News Live.

[00:03:09] I’m Jeff Sieh, and you’re not. And this is the show that keeps you up to date in the world of social media and so much more. And have you ever wondered how you can elevate your virtual meetings to a professional broadcast level? Maybe you’re curious about the tools that can transform your online interactions.

[00:03:25] Or maybe you’re looking to enhance your live streaming, your podcasting, your remote producing, all those questions. If you’ve thought those, then this show is going to be perfect for you. Today, we are thrilled to welcome two experts who have been on the road. Uh, touting this thing crazily all week.

[00:03:44] They’ve got it down, uh, Doc Rock and, uh, Andy Carluccio, right? Is that how you say your name? Hey,

[00:03:50] Andy Carluccio: Carluccio. Yeah. The double

[00:03:52] Jeff Sieh: was, I was trying, Luria even messed it up, so I feel okay. So, they’re gonna be here today talking about their tips to, uh, talk about this powerful integration. I’m very excited. So, sit back, clear schedule, clear mind, and get ready for this week’s episode of Social Media News Live.

[00:04:07] Andy, Doc, thanks again. Um, this is gonna be fabulous today.

[00:04:11] Doc Rock: Thank you, Jeff.

[00:04:12] Jeff Sieh: So, I’m going to jump right into some of these questions that I have. I’ve, you know, I scoured the community, there’s a lot of questions, but Doc, I want you just first of all kind of, we’re talking about the Ecamm and Zoom integration, kind of give us a bird’s eye view of what it is and what it actually does.

[00:04:29] Doc Rock: When, when, uh, you know, Ecamm comes out during the Panini and everybody was using Ecamm. A lot of you was like, this would be cool, but I want to be able to Also host my zoom meetings and bring them in through Ecamm. And so one of the. First features that, you know, sort of got elevated during that time was this idea of a virtual camera, which would mean anything you could do in Ecamm, the output of that would show up as a camera that you could then use to place anywhere a camera would go.

[00:05:01] Me, Teams, Zoom, uh, so forth, so on, et cetera. And this was great. And then everybody goes, Hey, but now I need the people in Zoom to be able to come back to Ecamm with their sound. And we were like, ah, yeah. So now you’re going to need to learn how to mix like a boss. You’re going to need some extra hardware or software, you know, in order to allow that to happen.

[00:05:26] And when Andy had his product called Zoom ISO, we were like, yo, this is cool, but I support the people that can’t turn on a soda can. So I was like, yeah, I’m not going to tell them about Zoom ISO. Like the ones that were, the ones that were like myself or Daniel, or, you know, the hyper nerdy guys, like I would tell them, cause I figured they would be able to handle it, but there was no way.

[00:05:49] I was going to put Stephanie on Zoom ISO, and she’s brilliant, but she’s not a tech person, so to speak. Right. So happened to meet at NAB with Glenn and Katie and Andy, myself and Alex. And we were like, yo, we would love to figure out a way to make this happen. And, uh, Rabbi David Paskins put us together and made us be friends.

[00:06:11] And Andy and Ken and Glenn disappeared for a minute. And they came back and goes, look, and then we were like, whoa, So now it’s very, it’s very Apple in a sense. Like it just works and you already know how to use zoom. You already know how to use Ecamm. You already know how to use EFZ. It just works.

[00:06:29] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. Andy, what about from the, like the Zoom? Kind of side of things, what excited you about partnering with Ecamm for this, this integration?

[00:06:38] Andy Carluccio: A huge part of our strategy right now on the Zoom side in the events and broadcast area is partnering with companies that have industry tools that people are already used to using. So what we’ve been focused on on the Zoom side is integrating our core technology into tools that developers can then integrate into their products.

[00:06:55] And the reason that we do this is that for end users, there’s no more of a seamless workflow than being able to use the tool that’s already part of your toolkit, and then be able to. Add superpowers to it, like being in, you know, a remote guest or something along those lines. Right? So by integrating our core technology into third party products, it allows us to, uh, give a familiar experience while also being able to surface an interface that people are already very comfortable with.

[00:07:18] With the Ecamm team, they’ve really, uh, taken that mission very seriously and thought about the user journey, I think pretty intensely. And what, what’s resulted from this now is the ability to have, As I’ve been touting, a very seamless workflow, um, that allows you to integrate whether it’s remote guests, whether it’s presenting comments or other interaction materials that pop up inside of Zoom, or just presenting yourself in a more professional way inside of your Zoom meeting without having to worry about mixed minus and virtual webcams and things of that nature.

[00:07:46] I think that’s definitely added a lot of value.

[00:07:49] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, I think, you know, to be honest, when I first heard about it, I was like, eh. You know, I was like, okay, that’s cool. I’m glad that things are moving forward. But I’m like, and I’ve gotten this question a lot. When I said that we were doing this show today, people were asking me, well, Jeff, why not just use the virtual camera into zoom?

[00:08:06] Like before I would start, you know, Ecamm first, I’d have my virtual camera running on my setup, all going, and then I would, you know, start. Zoom and join a call, right? And it would all work. So, Doc, why, why do we need, what, what is, what is the big, and I’m, I’m throwing you a softball, but what is the big deal about this Zoom integration?

[00:08:27] Why, why can’t we just use the, the virtual camera? Right.

[00:08:30] Doc Rock: had this happen to me many occasions in talking with clients and things like that. Uh, I’ll use my friend Eddie Mata as a, um, as an example, Eddie does a show where he interviews, uh, sort of athletes and actors, uh, And, um, some of these guys got hit with a few baseballs, so he sends them, uh, the Ecamm link for Chrome, and they’re just deer in the headlights.

[00:08:58] They have no idea what to do.

[00:08:59] Jeff Sieh: mom.

[00:09:00] Doc Rock: There is not a carbon based life form on this planet that doesn’t know how to open Zoom at this point. how much easier is it? That’s funny, Jim. I’m not going to tell her how much, how much easier is it to send someone a zoom link? And again, going back to what Andy said, these are tools that people already know they already have a familiarity with.

[00:09:24] And even if they’re not a high end user though, they don’t think that they have to know something extra to go to a zoom link. They’ve been to many a zoom drink ups or sewing circles or whatever. So they’ll just click on it. Pop into zoom and to them it’s seamless. So as the ease of use for your guests, anybody who’s doing shows like this, where we have guests come in with Chrome, and then we’ve got to tell them how to set up their headphones and their audio and all these other things.

[00:09:47] All of that goes out the window, right? You just send them a zoom link. They’re very familiar with that. And they can just go. Um, even for one of our broadcast clients, his thing was always his contemporaries On the shows that he do, they’re all very familiar with Zoom. Most of them had never heard of Ecamm.

[00:10:05] So when he sends them an Ecamm guest link, his producer has always spent a lot of time just trying to tell people, nevermind what the tool is, just use it. You know, here is a cup of water. It’s still water. Like it doesn’t matter what, but you know, some people can’t, they get so distracted by the vessel.

[00:10:19] You know what I mean? So the idea of drinking a beer in a boot freaks people out. But if you’ve been to Stuttgart, Germany, it’s just called Saturday.

[00:10:29] Jeff Sieh: love Doc’s analogies. That’s why people watch the show, is his, his, his stories. Um, one of the things, speaking of that seamless integration, I do, because I’ve done the show, and Andy and I were talking before, about three, three and a half years, and I’ve never had anybody issue coming in, but they’ll be like, is this right?

[00:10:46] It doesn’t feel, am I okay? You know, but to your point, Doc, that people know Zoom, like everybody’s joined a Zoom meeting. They’ve had to do it for school board stuff during COVID, all that kind of stuff. Um, so there’s that little, just that little less friction, I think is really, really key in this. And one thing that, kind of, I wasn’t expecting that I really like, so I run a paid mastermind on Thursday with Paul Gouder, and we were testing this out last night for that, and I had all my, it’s, it’s integrated.

[00:11:13] Like, I just click a button inside of, uh, Ecamm, and all my meetings from my calendar are there that I can just click on join, And I don’t have to open that other window. That sounds like a small thing, but that’s a big deal. Like, you know what it is? It’s just cool. You know? Um, so that’s just one of the, and it’s so seamless that it’s inside of, just not having to open up another program is, makes me happy, I

[00:11:36] Doc Rock: It’s kind of the idea that if Apple made a blender, it will be over engineered and it will be crazy and it will be why. But you know it’s good because they made a blender like so they they just make good stuff So it doesn’t really matter how crazy it sounds. It’s familiar.

[00:11:52] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. So we’ve already got some questions, uh, from our amazing community, and this is from Tommy over on YouTube. He goes, uh, and Andy, I want you to take this one. Does the integrated Zoom and ECL uh, require a Zoom me membership to host a meeting? So do you have to have a zoom?

[00:12:10] Andy Carluccio: Yeah, the idea is that you sign into Ecamm with your Zoom account. So you can sign in with a free basic account, uh, and then Ecamm will basically inherit all the properties of that account. So if you sign in with free basic, for example, your meetings will be 360p and limited to 40 minutes. If you have a business account, you can have a, up to, I think, 30 hour meeting and you can have, um, uh, 1080p.

[00:12:33] Uh, enabled for your video quality as well. So it basically inherits your Zoom account. You, you bring your Zoom account into Ecamm. You don’t have to go buy a, you know, a special Zoom license just to use with Ecamm. Uh, you can bring whatever Zoom license you already have into the integration and that will basically sync up with your account and bring over whatever properties you have from the Zoom side into Ecamm.

[00:12:54] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so, on that note, I actually, I was testing it with the free account, did that for a long time, but it’s so cool I bought the, I bought the pro account, just because I can see the use case for that, which we’re gonna get into, uh, later on, but, uh, our friend Castahead says, uh, Yes, familiarity is huge. Just because we deal with all this tech stuff every day doesn’t mean that everyone else does.

[00:13:14] It’s the curse of knowledge. So,

[00:13:17] Doc Rock: Yeah, it is

[00:13:18] Jeff Sieh: Very true. And then, my daughter, uh, over on LinkedIn says, opening a million windows sucks, so yay. So, there we go. That is

[00:13:25] Andy Carluccio: True, true, true.

[00:13:26] Doc Rock: Captain my captain. Oh my god. I miss you captain. Good to see you

[00:13:30] Jeff Sieh: gonna be at Creator Camp talk, so, uh, we’ll

[00:13:32] Doc Rock: I am super stoked, super hanging out with the captain,

[00:13:35] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so, this is a great question from Ian, and I know there’s, uh, a different, well, by the way, this is a Zoom, we’re in Zoom right now, like, Andy had it, passed it over to me, he joined through Zoom, Doc used Ecamm’s, um, interview and he’s in that way, so, and it, you can’t tell, it’s just seamless, like it just works, so, very, very cool.

[00:13:57] But Ian asked this question. When we bring guests in from interview mode or Zoom, what’s the difference in resolution? Doc, will you take that? Oh, go ahead, Andy, you go.

[00:14:07] Andy Carluccio: Go ahead, doc. You can, okay. So I can, okay.

[00:14:11] Jeff Sieh: I’ll just do this, Doc, go. Mm

[00:14:14] Doc Rock: of course, of course, when I bow down to Andy, there you go. Listen, um, the best way to explain it is Zoom makes those decisions for you. And yesterday we kind of blew Stephanie’s mind because me coming from Honolulu and, and, uh, Daniel swinging in from Canada, she was streaming on YouTube. Both of us were coming in at 360 and she didn’t even know.

[00:14:39] She was like, man, you guys look great. She goes, what’s the resolution? And then we told her how to check in Ecamm. And then she goes, Oh, it says it’s only 360. I go exactly because people have this really strange thought process. That resolution is what picture quality is. And it’s not, it’s bandwidth. We, I literally just commented on this and Facebook because people are still asking for 10, 80, 60 for Facebook to do this.

[00:15:02] The only thing that would probably blow your mind at 60 frames per second in this picture is nothing because the plan is still, my head is still, uh, you know, uh, Scuba Steve, my little stormtrooper back there, he’s not moving. So what is him moving 60 frames a second going to do for this image? Nothing, nothing at all.

[00:15:21] So you’ll probably get 1080. If you have a business pro plan, you’ll get a 720, 540, whatever, but those decisions are made by Zoom. It’s not really up to you.

[00:15:31] Andy Carluccio: I can speak to some of the logic that’s used on the Zoom side. So I don’t, I don’t know what, uh, interview mode’s top resolution is, but in the Zoom platform, we go to 1080p. So 720p

[00:15:41] Doc Rock: sorry, 1080, my bad.

[00:15:43] Andy Carluccio: All right, so you have 1080 on interview, we have 1080 on Zoom side as well, so, uh, and that’s going to be for our business customers.

[00:15:49] For pro customers, uh, you can get activated up to 720p, and then for free basic, it’s 360p. Um, there’s a great article, by the way, on the Ecamm documentation that lays all this out. It links to our Zoom knowledge base as well for how to get this all set up. Um, but typically it involves sending in a re a support request, and then based on the type of account that you have.

[00:16:08] Somebody in the backend will give you access to a higher resolution that you can then use. And like I said before, it’s just a factor of, uh, what you join with. In other words, that let’s say you’re doing a event for some organization and they have a business account. You don’t have to have a separate business account on your side.

[00:16:26] You just join their meeting like we’re doing right now, or we’re joined through my, my zoom account. And we have 1080p enabled, uh, in this meeting, for example, uh, regardless of what Jeff’s license is in this case.

[00:16:37] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, so that was, that was a really cool thing, which I had never thought of before. And I’m trying to think of use cases for that, like maybe if you’re a remote producer, and you know, you want to take it from, they had bad bandwidth or something, whatever is going on with their, their show, and they could pass it to you.

[00:16:51] So, Andy started the Zoom meeting, and then he gave me control, gave me the link, and gave me control, and I just. So I just entered that into, uh, Zoom, I mean into Ecamm, and then I was able to pull up all this stuff and it just, it just works. It’s like Apple, it just works. So that’s very cool. Um, this is a great question from, uh, Tommy again.

[00:17:11] He goes, Some Zoom calls have multiple pages in the Zoom gallery. Does the integrated Zoom Ecamm have a limit on participants in the gallery? And what about audio call in only guests? So Andy, you want to take that?

[00:17:25] Andy Carluccio: The integration doesn’t limit the number of people who can be in the meeting. I think the maximum size of a Zoom meeting is up to a thousand people and the presence of Ecamm doesn’t change that. Now, the number of guests that you can pull into Ecamm at to simultaneously show their video in your scene, that’s going to be eight, but it doesn’t place any limit on the number of people who can participate in the meeting.

[00:17:46] Jeff Sieh: Gotcha. Doc, you want to say something?

[00:17:48] Doc Rock: No, no, I was gonna say a thousand and eight.

[00:17:51] Jeff Sieh: Right. But you could round robin that too, like you could, you could have somebody in there and then, you know, have it come from the green room and pop them up and that wouldn’t make, make you have a hit, so.

[00:18:00] Andy Carluccio: And I think the reason that works so well is that Ecamm made it super easy to add someone. So this idea of round robin, you’re not going to go over to like the big video panel and unplug a cable and patch, you know, patch something else in. You’re just going to drag and click add and it’ll be easy. So

[00:18:13] Jeff Sieh: So this is a great question from Gary. And this is, since I’m big on repurposing, I know a lot of people in there, Chris Stone’s in the audience. He does a lot of repurposing. He says, I think the only drawback that I can see is with the ISO recordings is we would only see 360p footage.

[00:18:28] That’s, and correct me if I’m wrong, that’s if you don’t request the 720, if you have a pro plan, correct?

[00:18:34] Doc Rock: Correct.

[00:18:35] Andy Carluccio: right. So if you have any paid Zoom license, you’re able to get up to 720p. And then, like I said, if you have the business license, you can get 1080p. And then when Ecamm does the ISO recording, uh, and Doc, keep me honest, but it’ll record basically the quality that was provided to it.

[00:18:49] Doc Rock: Right. We take what you send. Right. So, um, and, and, and, and so yeah, that part is key. But I just want to let people know like not to freak out as far as like what your show quality is gonna look like. That’s gonna be fine. If you’re gonna do repurposing, then yeah, you’re gonna want to have a A business pro account in order to get, you know, the best resolution.

[00:19:09] But also now here’s where everybody gets, what’s the word? What’s, what’s, what’s that old country saying? Uh, champagne tastes and Pepsi wallet or something like that.

[00:19:23] Jeff Sieh: Yeah.

[00:19:24] Doc Rock: Yo, if you’re rocking the 2019 Intel Mac, good luck with that. So like, if you, if you want these things, cool. But I have a Mac studio. I can want these things.

[00:19:35] Jeff Sieh: So, let’s talk about requirements. Like, what is the, is there a minimum system requirements? I know for ISO recordings you have to have the new max silicone, for one, if you want to do that. Is there any other sort of, uh, minimum system requirements, Doc, to use this integration? Mm

[00:19:53] Doc Rock: still killing an M1 16 gig Mac mini works perfectly fine. We’ll handle all eight of them guests and look glorious. Um, when you start getting crazy with it, then it gets a little bit, you know, nuts, but it’s not a real, um, hard set fast rule, but basically the amount of GPU cores that your machine has is about how much you can push it before it starts freaking out.

[00:20:19] Jeff Sieh: Gotcha. On, um, let’s talk about adding people because Gary had a question about, so would we, I’d be a, would I be a, a guest to my own Ecamm when he’s talking about making a Zoom? Can, can you kind of talk about how it’s, you just add them as a guest and if you have your scenes already set up, it just works, correct?

[00:20:40] Doc Rock: Here, let me wake up the moderators. Uh,

[00:20:44] Jeff Sieh: So I’m just, so what I’m, so what I’m doing, Gary, right now is I have, um, I, I haven’t changed anything. I didn’t have to build a new template or anything for this show. Because I already had everybody’s, you know, guest one, guest two, guest three set up in my scenes. I would just take the Zoom and apply Andy to, he’s guest two, Doc is guest one.

[00:21:04] And it just works throughout my scenes if, like any other camera that I would bring in.

[00:21:09] Doc Rock: Yes.

[00:21:09] Jeff Sieh: right, Doc? Okay.

[00:21:10] Doc Rock: you basically add them to, into a scene. So again, here’s what I want. I want to hammer this point home because I can see, I totally see where the question is coming from. Cause you think you have to learn something. You do not have to learn anything. You already know how to use Zoom. You already know how to use Ecamm.

[00:21:25] So here’s what happens. When you fire up the meeting in Ecamm, what you’re going to see is the Zoom participants in the little panel. And that panel is going to be analogous to the camera switcher in Ecamm. There’s going to be the word add next to each of those individual persons. If you add Ian Anderson Gray, the notorious IAG, he will be now added to your meeting.

[00:21:51] Me being me, I’m also going to convert him into a placeholder camera. So I’m going to turn him into camera D.

[00:22:00] Jeff Sieh: Mm

[00:22:00] Doc Rock: then now in any scene that I develop or prior to him calling any scene that I develop, I put a placeholder camera G and I put that in my scene, just like you built the scene this morning. So I would be camera D and Andy would be camera A, cause this is what I do cause I’m weird like that.

[00:22:18] But, uh, when, when Andy calls in, all you do is assign Andy to camera A and every scene that you’ve built with camera A. Andy’s face will be there. Every scene that you built with camera D, my face would be there.

[00:22:33] Jeff Sieh: It sounds more complicated than it is. Like if I can do it. Y’all can do it. You know what I’m saying? So, I mean, that’s

[00:22:40] Doc Rock: Did you set this up or did Abby set

[00:22:41] Jeff Sieh: those, well, yeah, probably a lot smoother if she did it. Uh, so, and this is another point from Gary. He goes, he’s what, he’s wanting to know what the guests might see, like changing mic settings and all that kind of stuff.

[00:22:52] He’s not sure what they say, see. It’s like a regular Zoom, correct? Mm

[00:22:58] Andy Carluccio: sitting on the other end of a Zoom call right now, so I guess I’m sort of in the shoes of, of what this hypothetical, uh, is asking about. What I see right now is Jeff in the meeting as a participant, and then I see, as Jeff’s camera, the produced Ecamm output, and I hear the audio coming in from Ecamm, But I don’t hear myself back, which is great.

[00:23:18] Otherwise I’d have a loop, right? So Ecamm is kind of magically in the background, taking care of all the mixed minus that needs to be done. I can hear Doc, I can hear Jeff and I can hear any sound effects that would be applied or anything like that. And I can see the produce thing. I see the lower third right now.

[00:23:31] I have the whole, uh, look coming back to me. As a confidence monitor as Jeff’s camera. So for me, it’s a very, like I said, simple experience. I just, I, Jeff is in my meeting and I can see what Jeff is doing and I can hear what Jeff is saying and I can hear what other people that Jeff is connected are saying.

[00:23:47] So it’s a very natural experience.

[00:23:50] Jeff Sieh: And one thing, um, we haven’t touched on, and I think it’s a big, big deal, and because I don’t have multiple people other than Doc and Andy in the room, I can bring up Zoom comments on the, the screen, which is huge. So Doc, if you want to throw something up, maybe a, a

[00:24:05] Andy Carluccio: I’m in the zoom

[00:24:06] Jeff Sieh: Okay. Yeah,

[00:24:06] Doc Rock: Andy can do that.

[00:24:07] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, and what it does is, like, if you think about all those webinars that you have either done, produced, or watched, you know, you see them talking to those people in the webinar, and you just have to get, kind of, go off what they’re saying when they’re answering a question.

[00:24:20] But ne

[00:24:21] Doc Rock: That is so true. And it feels weird.

[00:24:24] Jeff Sieh: Yeah, and like, this is Andy inside of Zoom, and I can pull it up so, for the recording, everybody can see his, his question. Which I think is kind of a really, really big deal, especially for replays. You’re doing those webinars. I think this is something as a remote producer, you can pitch to your clients.

[00:24:42] Like, listen, I can do this. Not many other people know how to do this. And that just adds a whole nother layer of professionalism and all that stuff. Um, to your, to your zoom is, I mean, to, yeah, to your production, as far as I’ve been, I’m, I’m concerned. So.

[00:24:56] Doc Rock: You know, one of the things that we’ve been talking about, Jeff, this entire week has been the engagement in the interaction that you can now have. And you just mentioned something very, very important before, when people are doing these sort of mixed media meetings, the people and guests. I mean, people in zoom, you know, they’re there and they’re making comments and the host is reading it and they’re getting that little bit of endorphin because the host read their comment, but it’s, it’s like a disambiguated body or someone talking in like the fourth or fifth person.

[00:25:29] Now, when you put their actual comment on and the host can read that comment, number one, they just feel much better because, you know, you, you saw them, you know, I see you. So now I have your comment there. I’m able to respond to it within the person watching at home. Gets a little avatar and it could be any kind of thing from a Smurf character to a real picture, but it’s still a different connection to that person who posited that question as opposed to just talking in the space like, Oh, what are you talking about Willis?

[00:25:56] And it sounds like I’m speaking to like one of my imaginary friends.

[00:26:00] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. I, I, so Andy is, I mean, have you noticed, because I know you, you’re, you’ve probably done more Zoom meetings than any of us here, um, when that happens, have you noticed a big, like, jump in engagement or just the, the, the feel of the room when stuff like that happens?

[00:26:16] Andy Carluccio: So you create a feedback loop when you do this. As soon as you acknowledge, uh, the interaction offered by one of your guests and you feature it on screen, for example, it gets everybody else excited about doing the same thing because they can kind of, they can see that you’re rewarding, uh, that, that opportunity for them.

[00:26:34] So this is, this creates this kind of feedback loop where some people see their comment coming in, they’re, you know, incentivized to put in another comment. Other people see that, they put in a comment, right? And it kind of snowballs into this really, really engaging experience. And when the audience feels like they have an investment in the event and in the way that the event is crafted, they’re there for you and it drives live viewership and it drives, you know, long term participation in the event.

[00:26:55] So it’s very, very powerful to be doing things like that.

[00:26:57] Jeff Sieh: That’s awesome. So, this next section I want to talk about, like, some benefits and use cases and kind of different things. But before we do that, I want to make sure, and I was so excited, I forgot to do this at the start of the show, that this show is brought to you by our folks at Ecamm. They are the sponsors of the show.

[00:27:10] You can find out more about them at ecamm. com forward slash Jeff. You can save 15 percent on your first purchase by using the code JEFF15. And here’s a little power tip for you. You want to get Ecamm Pro. And if you’re gonna, you can test it for a while, but use this code for when you buy the yearly plan, because you’re gonna want to buy the yearly plan, so you can do this for all your Zoom meetings, all that stuff, so ecamm.

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[00:27:53] You can go to JeffSieh. com forward slash win to enter for a chance to win a ticket to Creator Camp. I’ve got a special bonus code at the end of this broadcast that I’ll probably forget, but I’ll try to remember to put it up for you guys so you can get some extra entries there. But JeffSieh. com forward slash win.

[00:28:08] It’s the only way now to get to Creator Camp. So, I’m so excited about that too. It’s, it’s going to be so much

[00:28:14] Doc Rock: You know, last year, Jeff, the highlight of my, my year was our breakfasts in the morning at the hotel with me, you and Ian and like Stephanie, we’re just hanging out in the morning, having our breakfast and just chatting and having a proper cuppa with my man from across the pond. So what an amazing, amazing sessions.

[00:28:35] I really

[00:28:35] Jeff Sieh: and we’re all in the same hotel this year, which is going to be very, very cool. Because we can all get up and have a giant breakfast and get together, which is going to be fun. So, alright, so let’s talk about some benefits and use cases. I want to talk about, like, the different ways I think a lot of people use Ecamm.

[00:28:51] And I want to think about To start off, a lot of podcasters, a lot of podcasters use Zoom, right, to use their, um, to, to, to get guests in when they’re doing their interview calls. A lot of them use Ecamm as well. I don’t know about you, but I think there’s no excuse anymore not to have a video component to a podcast.

[00:29:10] I, I’m talking to you, Lou Mangiello. Uh, you do this, it drives me nuts. He, he gets to sit down like Kevin Feige from Marvel, and I’m like, Do you not think I want to see that? Come on. And like, Eric Fischer, beyondthetodaysthis, why, why not? Now it’s easier. You’re already using Ecamm. You’re already using Zoom.

[00:29:25] Why not have a video component? So, Andy, um, how easy is it to have a podcast, a video podcast with Zoom and Ecamm?

[00:29:33] Andy Carluccio: We’ve seen a lot of podcast networks, uh, begin to adopt Zoom, uh, to bring in those remote guests. And the power of that, right, is not only that, you know, you can talk to somebody anywhere in the world, but it’s that they don’t have to come to you, right? And that, that creates this really powerful opportunity for panel conversations with that, with the right experts, like I’ve been saying, right?

[00:29:53] Not just the ones that are convenient or the ones that you can book in your studio, but people that you can bring in from anywhere in the world. Now, I think this has become a more obvious point in the past couple of years, but. In 2019, for example, uh, before something, something kind of forced us all to think about this a little more carefully, um, the primary benefit was, you know, wherever the right person is, you can get them into your show.

[00:30:14] Now, I think we all appreciate that a little bit more, but on the Zoom side, right, having a low latency, See high quality interaction with people allows us to have a real conversation, right? And that, uh, I think is very, very powerful. So we’ve seen, certainly we’ve seen Zoom used in the podcasting space for many years.

[00:30:29] It’s become ever more prevalent. And now you can see us investing in the tools that allow the end result of that podcast to be more professional, right? And it’s not just recording a Zoom meeting or screen scraping the gallery view, but actually creating something that’s personalized and branded. And, uh, helps tell the story visually in addition to being able to get the raw content.

[00:30:49] Jeff Sieh: And I just, once again, I am so, I mean, I bought a new computer for this entire reason, is that I can have ISO tracks. Like, that is, for repurposing, being able to take Doc and, and not have my lower thirds up there, and just repurpose it for, you know, Reels or YouTube Shorts. Having that now And now I can use it with Zoom.

[00:31:06] It’s just like, it’s a no brainer for me. Uh, it’s just, it’s so easy and it’s, you’re, you’re actually just maximizing stuff so much. So, um,

[00:31:14] Doc Rock: And you know, um, Jeff, one of the things that I think it’s fun, is Zoom just recently added, uh, Zoom Clips and they also added the AI Companion. And the thing about the Zoom integration is, it’s actually Zoom running inside of Ecamm. Like, it’s actually Zoom. It’s not, you know. Zzz is not um, it’s the whole thing.

[00:31:37] So you press AI companion and it’s going to take those notes for you while you are recording, right? If you wanted to do, uh, uh, live reactions, which Andy will be able to show you in a second, you can do the new animated live reactions that are in zoom, you could add that directly in to the show, but you’re able to just press a button and get those clips and they’re just going to work, right?

[00:32:00] And I think the other thing about this from sort of a podcast perspective. Is here’s where, here’s your real use case. Nowadays, um, podcasting ad revenue is a little bit challenging, but let’s say I have a pre show and after show, and that’s a paid situation. Those guys are sitting in zoom. They’re in the gallery.

[00:32:20] They’re minding their business. They’re watching the recording. And at the end of the podcast, we’re going to do the after party type situation. Now I can drag up members from the gallery. On to the screen to do after party clips where we’re going to go deeper. We’re going to ask Andy about his, uh, Cutting Shark ship behind his head.

[00:32:39] Like, did he build that by hand? What type of glue did he use? Did he get it from Hobby Lobby? And as he gets into those things, if he gives you permission, you can take those in turn of an eclipse that generates the FOMO for the membership.

[00:32:52] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. That is super, I was going to talk about that a little bit later, but. So, show me the live reactions. What are you, I’m, I don’t know exactly what those are, so.

[00:33:01] Andy Carluccio: inside of zoom, you can, you know, you used to, you’ve always been able to like raise your hand and put up a heart and kind of have that corner pin to the top left corner. But now you can pick literally any emoji in zoom and you can have them kind of immersively float up in your screen. Right. And because as, as doc said, You know, this is the full Zoom integration.

[00:33:18] Any of those Zoom features, right, that interact with the program are now brought over to Ecamm as well. And likewise, those, those backend capabilities like AI companion smart chapters, um, and, and meeting summarization and all of that. Yeah. Whiteboard, of course, one of the, a great interactivity tool. Those are all available.

[00:33:36] Uh, via Ecamm as well. And that, again, these engagement tools, these summarization tools, they basically as Zoom continues to invest in its side of the platform and Ecamm continues to invest in its capabilities and users of this integration get the benefits of development on both sides of the equation.

[00:33:51] So it’s really exciting.

[00:33:53] Jeff Sieh: Yeah. And it really does not feel like you’ve got two programs. That’s what I just want to keep saying. It doesn’t feel like, oh, I’ve got to pop open zoom and enter this and do this. It all’s inside of Ecamm. That is just like it’s, and you’ve got to test it out if you haven’t tried it yet. Cause it’s,

[00:34:06] Doc Rock: It’s actually a little lighter on the processing side because of just the way that it’s being handled. Like a lot of people say, well, I can’t open both apps on my computer. It’s still running Zoom, but it’s running a slightly lighter, um, uh, first person. Probably window manager or something is, you know, getting into the nerd side of it.

[00:34:26] That’s kind of making it a little bit softer on the, on the processor, but it definitely not as heavy.

[00:34:31] Jeff Sieh: So this is a great question from Tommy again. He’s got great ones today. Thanks, Tommy. He goes, what about audio call in only guests mentioned previously? Can they be added with a placeholder pick inside of Ecamm? Um, like, I noticed, and you guys need to watch this, it’s on Ecamm’s YouTube channel, uh, Kat does a great kind of walkthrough of the new features, and she actually had one of her Zoom people using the app on the phone, while they’re, well, they were parked, I think, hopefully, that’s what we’re going to say, they were parked, they weren’t driving.

[00:34:57] And, you know, she could, they were part of the Zoom meeting, and technically she could bring them in to the show via the Zoom app. Am I correct in saying that, Andy?

[00:35:07] Doc Rock: Yes.

[00:35:07] Andy Carluccio: get into Zoom, you can get in, right? So that’s like, you know, and Zoom supports a variety of different join methods, right? I think, you know, maybe popular for content creation are the Mac and PC, of course, but, you know, iOS and Android, and even on the iPad, you can join on the Linux client, you can join through the browser, right?

[00:35:24] So there’s a lot of different ways to get into Zoom. And then the Ecamm can kind of, uh, latch onto that once you’re on the inside. Um, in the case of, of audio call in, I think it would depend exactly how you structure the show and you’d have to kind of build out your placeholder graphic and figure out how you want it to do that, but it should be possible.

[00:35:40] Doc Rock: And that’s what I was going to say. Build a placeholder graphic that says on the phone, like exactly like they’re doing TV, because again, having disembodied voices in your show. It works, but you notice on TV, they always put up a little head silhouette and icon, maybe the person’s image, you know, something like that.

[00:36:01] And I teach that in the demo every Friday. I always teach them to put the picture behind the camera. So in case that person drops, their photo is there because the disembodied voice is just weird. So, yeah. That’s how you do it.

[00:36:15] Jeff Sieh: So just one of the things that I can see is like, um, and this is not, you know, you could be at Podcast Movement or a big event. You could be producing something and have somebody going out on the floor with, you know, your mobile phone, being able to take that inside of Zoom and produce a show with Ecamm really, really easy with, I mean, signal strength and all that stuff, you know, in a conference.

[00:36:36] But that could be possible. Like, you could have remote. Reporters and pull them in and do some really cool shows that way. So, um, there’s

[00:36:43] Doc Rock: Like you said, Lou, Lou, this is, we’re talking to you, buddy.

[00:36:46] Jeff Sieh: I know you could pick up on that right like listen, I know you’re out in the park He’s been wanting an app for for years, but he could technically use this and go into to zoom and do it that way So Uh, that is just so very very cool.

[00:36:59] So, we’re talking about, like, workflows, and as you guys, if you guys have questions about, like, use case scenarios, all that stuff, make sure you ask them. I’m going to try to bring as many as I can to this, but, okay, we talked about, kind of, podcasting, let’s talk about what, like, this is, a live show, some of the use cases here, and Doc, I want to hone in on what you said earlier about, uh, having a special thing for people, like, the after party or whatever.

[00:37:22] So, Luria used to do, I don’t know if she still does it for her community, but she would go live on YouTube and have like her public facing show, but then she’d say, okay, that’s it, and she would, she had it in screen or whatever, but then she would bring on. Her community, her paid community, and they could ask questions of the guests.

[00:37:38] I would think this would be a perfect way people could actually be in the gallery and zoom and kind of see how the sausage is made, you know, like have special access and then at the end say, hey, Andy Dock, you mind staying for like another 10 minutes where my, my community can ask you questions? And that would be, I would just think such a value add to people who are part of or trying to start a community.

[00:37:59] Doc Rock: Yes, and okay, so when you invite the person on, right? So Jeff, you’re gonna come on the show and I’m gonna let you know that we want to do something special for the members. So we’re gonna go into like your really, really insider AI tips that we couldn’t really cover in a stream because they’re too big.

[00:38:15] And then we’ll be able to record those for anyone who couldn’t come. But then also, If with permission again, talk to your guests, you can use those as FOMO generation in order to help drive some new bodies to your membership. Cause this is honestly how we’re going to pay for all this stuff. Nowadays, as ad revenue becomes softer and softer just because of what it is.

[00:38:35] So like, it’s a really good way to build this sort of thing. But then Daniel told me something yesterday, which I haven’t tried. He’s like, you can put all of your speakers into a breakout room. have all your galleries into, uh, the people, your standard people in your gallery room, and you can even rock it like that.

[00:38:53] So the speakers all together in one spot, and then all the other people in one spot. So they just don’t get distracted during the meeting if you have somebody like that. And I was like, wait, really? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, Oh my God, that’s mindblowing. So I can’t wait to test it out this weekend.

[00:39:07] Um, with my membership, cause I think it’s, again, it’s a cool way to allow that interaction and you can bring people in back and forth. So if someone has something really good, you can drag them into the breakout session. And give them an opportunity to shine. And Andy mentioned it, your experts, some of them are in your group, bro.

[00:39:26] They’re sitting in the chair on the other side of the screen. And normally you wouldn’t bring them. So if you’re doing a show and Tommy has all of these great things to say, and it’s like, Tommy, are you camera ready? And he’s like, yeah. All right, here, hit this link real quick. Let me bring you in, because Tommy is more informed than what we’re talking about, so let’s bring him in real quick and have him, you know, fill in some of the gaps.

[00:39:50] Jeff Sieh: That’s cool. Andy, I don’t, I haven’t done, I mean, I’ve joined a lot of Zoom things, but I really not have done the breakout sessions. Can you talk a little bit about that? Is it included? Do you have to upgrade to have breakout sessions? Is it part of Zoom? How does that work?

[00:40:05] Andy Carluccio: I believe breakout rooms are included in all of our plans, um, and what a breakout room basically is, is a meeting inside of a meeting, for example. Uh, so I could say, uh, I want to have a place for, uh, my on screen audience. You know, and they’re going to go into one place and maybe I want another room that’s for uh, just my panelists and presenters and maybe I want a debriefing room later where we’ll send people to.

[00:40:25] In event production, what we sometimes see is this approach where you use a series of breakout rooms as kind of a prep. So let’s imagine we had an award show or something like that, right? We bring All the candidates into a, uh, the main meeting. And then we have a breakout room. That’s all the nominees for the upcoming award.

[00:40:43] And we’ll move, you know, all the nominees into one room and then we’ll move them into a different breakout room when we announced the winners and then we’ll move the winners into an after party room. And as we clear out the stage for the next group, right. So breakout rooms allow you to kind of divide up the participants into different.

[00:40:58] Uh, sub meetings within the experience. And then Ecamm can also join breakout rooms and add production, uh, or grab guests out of, out of those as well. So that opens up a lot of opportunities.

[00:41:08] Jeff Sieh: That is really, man, my mind is spinning. Yes.

[00:41:10] Doc Rock: It’s wild. It’s wild. You know, it’s funny, I just thought of this, and Andy said it, not even more, so I have to try something crazy. So, I’m hosting this show, With the people here, and then we have a breakout room. That’s basically you’re connected to the same meeting on your Ecamm, and you’re going to send that breakout room to a different feed.

[00:41:32] And so if we’re doing a live event and people are watching at home, you can see the instructional side, and then maybe you can pull out and jump into the test side. And then that test side of streaming on a whole different feed. It’s on like, you know, the Jeff channel and I got one on the doc channel, but so you can visit it from whichever angle kind of situation.

[00:41:51] That’s crazy.

[00:41:52] Andy Carluccio: Yeah, definitely.

[00:41:52] Jeff Sieh: You’re nerding out and everyone’s like, Oh, what now?

[00:41:55] Doc Rock: See, you started it, bro. You started it. You woke me up. You got me asking questions. I started thinking like, Oh, look, wait, this would be

[00:42:03] Jeff Sieh: we go. So, let’s, let’s go back into like another use case for what Zoom is, a lot of people use it for is webinars, like putting together webinars. Um, one of the things, and once again, I’m gonna, I love her content, but go watch Kat’s video on how to do this because she shows, you know, bringing up slides and being there with it.

[00:42:22] Having active speaker, which we really haven’t even talked about yet. Switch cameras automatically for you. Where you can set it up like you aren’t a active speaker, you’re always there, and everybody else when they talk joins in beside you with your slides. I mean, there’s all sorts of cool things you can do now with webinars.

[00:42:37] So, Andy, talk a little bit about that, um, like, the ability now to take your webinars, not just to be one of those, you know, okay, I gotta sit through this to hear the pitch at the end kind of a thing, you know, but actually have it engaging and have that production. Not only, you know, what do you laugh at, Doc?

[00:42:53] The pitch at

[00:42:54] Doc Rock: We just, we just talked about this event where it was basically the whole thing. And then you get to the end to the pitch. So I just made me laugh.

[00:43:01] Jeff Sieh: Do the pitch at the beginning, throw everybody off. So, um, what are some ideas, Andy, that you could use this integration now to take those webinars to the next level and maybe not have people tune out and not,

[00:43:11] Andy Carluccio: Absolutely. I, you know, I sometimes say, uh, production value is not only the value that you put into your event, but it’s also the value that your audience is going to extract from it. Right. So, um, you know, if you, if you. Put on an event and you don’t put a lot of effort into the way it looks and feels, your audience walks away with a subliminal message that maybe the content isn’t important either, because it wasn’t important enough to you to, you know, to put in the value to make it happen.

[00:43:37] I know that sounds a little harsh, but I think it’s very true. Um, so adding production value, I think is a, is a critical way. to help communicate the message and when you add in production tools like Ecamm to help you control what the audience sees and what the audience hears you’re now able to craft the story on a kind of a multi axis, uh, you know way of managing it so you have you can craft the visuals you can craft uh Who we are looking at at a given time, right?

[00:44:03] It’s not just a gallery view of everybody, including the people who are kind of off to the side doing something else when it’s not their turn to speak, right? And you can, you can bring all those things together. You can add sound effects. You can, you can kind of craft everything to make it more packaged up for your audience.

[00:44:17] Graphics and lower thirds is a great example right there, right? Being able to highlight certain key points of messaging. And this all ties in with our events and webinar products on the zoom side, which is kind of this few to many. Uh, product inside of Zoom where you have maybe a large audience primarily engaged over chat and Q and A, and then you have your presenters together and you want to kind of craft the, what that experience is so that the attendees see something that’s produced.

[00:44:41] Ecamm is going to be a great tool to add that production value out.

[00:44:45] Jeff Sieh: So, I know a lot of people, Doc, when they, they think like, okay, this is great, I’d love to be able to do this, but I don’t know how. Like, I can’t make a moving background like Jeff has on the thing, I can’t do, like, how did, I don’t even know how you get those three boxes on there. Now, I’ll tell you this, folks, it’s a lot easier than ever before to make, you know, your graphics, you know, I know you guys see, like, Marshall Fox, you see Doc’s show, you see Katie’s show, and you’re like, I would love to do that.

[00:45:08] Um, give some people some tips and encourage them that, You don’t have to have a graphic design degree to create a really cool custom show in Ecamm.

[00:45:19] Doc Rock: Well, a couple of things. Um, first I’d like to remind everybody, you didn’t know how to walk, talk or clean your bottom and you can do all of the above now, I hope. So the idea of, I didn’t know, I don’t know how everything you’ve ever done in your life, you didn’t know how including that paper you got on the wall back there or them young’uns you got running around.

[00:45:39] They all started with not knowing how. So please stop that. Now, the second part is, um, you know, If you see my show, my show is super simple. It’s just me, camera, background. I do not do anything crazy. I don’t do anything heavily designed, um, because I believe in, uh, high functional minimalism and That comes from my time in the desert.

[00:46:06] I realized how important a glass of water was when I was in Kuwait. You know what I mean? Like it doesn’t always have to be a Pepsi or, you know, your favorite beer or whatever, like sometimes you just want it to be super simple. We do training every Friday after this show, I get like a two hour break and then I’m on to the live demo.

[00:46:26] So I do a live demo training every Friday. We’ve actually just started to switch this up to where. It’s going to be me on one Friday in India and Anna. Happy birthday, Anna, doing Ikan Apanyol. And so they’re going to do Spanish version, um, every other Friday. And then we’re going to have like Neil and Andy do some, Paul do some.

[00:46:48] So we’re even going to switch up the demo. So it isn’t just a nerd guy talking to you. We’re going to allow. All of our moderators from different levels that come in, you get all different feels, all different looks, because the idea, and you said it best, is that it doesn’t have to be scary. I think a lot of people, they want to go from zero to ESPN.

[00:47:09] And that’s not, that’s not necessary. Like your audience, I would say, and Andy kind of said it, and it was so elegant, Andy, like I almost need to put this into a frame. Andy said, production value isn’t just the value of the production, but the value that your audience gets out of it. Whenever someone comes into Ecamm and they ask for some crazy feature because they think it’s going to make them cool.

[00:47:32] And I know that it’s an ego play. I asked them, how did this benefit your audience? And they never can answer the question because they’re watching something that somebody else did that was very like, Oh, look, this twirls like, okay, so yeah, we can add that, but what does it do for your audience? And never an answer.

[00:47:50] So

[00:47:52] Jeff Sieh: yeah.

[00:47:52] Doc Rock: down and just do good stuff.

[00:47:54] Jeff Sieh: I remember when, uh, when I started doing video editing way back in the day, like the Premiere version 2. Everybody had page flips. Remember that? There’s all that was a transition. Everybody wanted to do a page flip. And we’d start

[00:48:04] Doc Rock: video toaster, it was the girl that pulled down the

[00:48:07] Jeff Sieh: Right, yeah. Yeah, we’re nerds here, yes. Um, but, uh, so, I wanted to point out that, like, when Ecamm first started, you kind of had to have a little bit of knowledge of setting up a scene, and now it’s really easy, like, you just, you know, you can almost just draw out your box, and, like, put the size of the border you want on it, and, and lay it all out, and it just snaps to place, and so, it’s not this big, heavy lift that I think a lot of people, when they look at some of these things, feel like it

[00:48:32] Doc Rock: It’s easy.

[00:48:33] Jeff Sieh: and it’s really easy to use.

[00:48:34] So, um,

[00:48:35] Doc Rock: of people that are on our group that have nice templates or whatever that you can download and try or whatever’s, but it is, it’s really, I just encourage people to just try it. Like once you try it, you’ll get it. And my funny story is when I first looked at Ecamm, I thought no way is this powerful because it was too inexpensive.

[00:48:53] I came from basically a thousand dollar program called Wirecast. And then I was like, man, there’s no way that that’s a toy. Ha ha ha. And then I, one day I’d lost my Wirecast sponsorship and. I was like, well, I got to go buy something. And man, this toy looked pretty cool. And then I downloaded it. I was like, wait, this is more powerful than Wirecast.

[00:49:14] I’ve been wasting money. That wasn’t really my money. It was my sponsor. But anyway, it’s still,

[00:49:19] Jeff Sieh: But speaking of sponsors, don’t forget to go to ecamm. com forward slash Jeff. Save 15 percent by using Jeff15. See how seamless that was?

[00:49:27] Doc Rock: it’s so good, Jeff.

[00:49:28] Jeff Sieh: um, but seriously, it’s a great program and I came from the Wirecast vMix and all that stuff. And so, um, and Gary said, we got some great comments. Uh, somebody Wants to make a t shirt out of you didn’t know how to clean your bottom.

[00:49:43] Docrock2024. That would be a great one For a t shirt or or a mug and Paul says start simple. The rest will come very very true. Thanks Paul for that Yeah, and then Richard says a lot of people want to go from zero to ESPN. See doc That’s what we have on the show. He just gives all these great quotables for this And Gary says great points this benefit, you know, like Ask the Podcast Coach has people come on his show all the time, uh, and so that would be, this would be a great thing for him as well, the ease of use to onboard people.

[00:50:14] And, uh, Gary says, I tend to keep the same setup but have each show in a different profile. All my Stream Deck buttons are uniform. That’s a great little tip too. One of the things I want to, before we wrap up the show, is talk about remote producing because I know a lot of people do that. I know Chris Stone has a great service where he does remote producing for people.

[00:50:32] I know Gary does some stuff. A lot of people inside the Ecamm fam do remote producing. So I want to talk about this because. I was just thinking, uh, you know, in the shower this morning going, man, if you just have like a discovery call, don’t do it in the shower. But, um, if you have a discovery call with a client, you put a safety tip, don’t use the shower, but having this, being able to come in a zoom meeting, cause everybody does those, those kinds of calls with zoom and you just say, Hey, I got this plan and put it together.

[00:51:02] And you have your, your proposal right there. You’re able to pull up these graphics and walk them through it. And they’re just gonna go like, how are you doing that? Like, I just see the power of when you pitch clients your services, that this is, this is gonna be amazing. Um, and we didn’t really even talk about how inside of webinars that having your slides and everything just works because Ecamm has got that down.

[00:51:26] So, um, talk a bit, a little bit about that, um, Andy, about, you know, remote producing. I know a lot of people use Zoom, especially for podcasts. You know, a lot of people have that kind of thing, but the ability to showcase your talents in not even showing off, but just showing up and going, Hey, here’s the meeting.

[00:51:44] And they’re like, what are you, how are you, how come we’re together on the screen like that? And there’s a moving background. How did you do that? Like, I just think that’s super powerful.

[00:51:51] Andy Carluccio: Well, we talked a lot today about a visual medium, right? And, and one of the great things about remote production is being able to see what you need to see and have a conversation with people who can help you. So, uh, the simplicity, right, of just setting up a Zoom meeting and being able to engage with maybe a knowledge expert.

[00:52:07] On design or something like that and be able to see what they’re doing and, and pass that back onto your end, or, you know, something that, uh, that, um, we’ve experienced this week, Doc and I, as we’ve been going through, um, sort of different, uh, showcases has been, uh, yesterday on office hours, we had, you know, I think five or six different people who are all remote producing the show, uh, you know, telling us about how to set up our microphone or telling us, right.

[00:52:32] Um, you know, what the run of show was going to be like, or, Or sending us, you know, just information about the event, none of them on air, right? But all in the Zoom meeting, helping us kind of follow the yellow brick road a little bit as we got closer and closer to the show. So there are, there are a lot of ways, right?

[00:52:46] If you can get into a Zoom meeting, you can participate in the production of the event. And with Ecamm now, you have the ability to expand the scope of that. Even into the visual design, you talked about slide share, right? So that’s another way we can bring content directly into our scenes. When some, when somebody just simply screen shares inside of zoom.

[00:53:04] So if there’s a webpage or something like that, we want to feature a document or, or, uh, you know, a Google slide presentation or something like that, we can highlight those things and bring them directly into what we’re crafting. So we’d have somebody remotely sharing content, right. To help us produce the event.

[00:53:17] And they can be advancing the slides or they can be loading up different media. Yeah. And kind of beaming that over Zoom to Ecamm, uh, to help us with their production on that side as well. So there’s so much about collaboration that’s built into Zoom. I mean, our, our motto is one open platform, uh, for limitless human connection.

[00:53:32] Right. And that now, uh, expands into the domain of Ecamm as well. So that’s something that I think I’m really excited to see.

[00:53:40] Jeff Sieh: Awesome. Any, any tips for remote producers using this Ecamm, uh, integration doc? Right.

[00:53:48] Doc Rock: that. Everyone should do, no matter where you sit in your Ecamm journey, you should try to do a remote production. And I was talking to Gary in the chat earlier, Gary says he’s never spent any time on the guest side of Ecamm. Like, I’m looking at your guest link right now and I’m like, um, imagine a chef that doesn’t taste his own food.

[00:54:10] You’re inviting people to come on your show as a guest and you never spend time in the guest side. That makes about as much sense as screen doors in the submarine. So, go into the community and just say, Hey, somebody, I want to test out my guest mode. Somebody send me their guest link and Tommy ain’t doing nothing.

[00:54:25] Tommy will send him the Tommy link and then Gary can look in and just see what the backing is. Because then when your people ask you questions about how do I change my interface or make my mic louder or whatever, You can do that. I think in that same vein, you should try a situation where you have two of your buddies call you, and then you’re just not on the camera.

[00:54:44] So you have Jeff’s face on and Andy’s face on, and you just sit back there and you move things. That is your beginning of remote production, because once you have that skill and once you understand it, it’s not a hard skill, by the way. It’s very simple. If you already know ECCAM, you already know how to do it.

[00:54:57] But once you have that. It is worth so much. I cannot tell you how many things I have remote produced. Um, because somebody just needed something right away and they didn’t want to think about it. And they’re just like, here’s money produced said I’m like, absolutely done. And I just sit in the back and I could do it from home.

[00:55:17] Okay. Here’s the part where no one really wrapping their head around. I could do it from home. It’s cabinet over here. It’s. It’s an amazing Japanese whiskey collection. So I can remote produce a show while I’m drinking a Yamazaki 18, which I know is about 2, 800 a bottle at this point. And nobody knows I’m minding my business.

[00:55:34] I’m enjoying this show and getting, getting paid to enjoy my whiskey. So, you know, it is a skill that you should definitely pick up on.

[00:55:42] Jeff Sieh: So we are not encouraging drinking and producing, but you can, I guess is what Doc

[00:55:47] Doc Rock: You can, you

[00:55:48] Jeff Sieh: one of the things, I want to pull up this, and Paul says it great, he says, it’s hard to explain to a guest how it works if you haven’t been there, so that is a great tip, Paul, thank you for that.

[00:56:00] And then, This is perfect. It’s a perfect segue to our ending is Tommy says, one of the things I love about the Ecamm live is the family. It reminds me of the early Mac days when we had 2 percent market share and we were all evangelists like Guy Kawasaki. So, uh, yeah, that is so true. In fact, the,

[00:56:16] Doc Rock: That was a good link up there, Tommy. I know what you did there. I seen you.

[00:56:20] Jeff Sieh: yeah, yeah.

[00:56:21] Guy Kawasaki and, um, who I produced the podcast for guy anyway.

[00:56:25] Doc Rock: That’s

[00:56:25] Jeff Sieh: yeah, I know. So, um, one of the things is, um, I wanted to say the family is, is huge. I talk about community a lot. We talk about Ecamm as being one great example of the community. Um, I’m not gonna name names, but famous people stop by and ask questions and feel comfortable for asking questions inside of the group.

[00:56:43] The, some

[00:56:44] Doc Rock: you can name it. Cause I was fangirling this week. Oh,

[00:56:47] Jeff Sieh: Seth, Seth Godin just shopped, stopped by and dropped a, a question. Like, and, and everybody just, there were some like, this is, this is weird, this is cool. But mostly people were just helping with him. And I think he really, I mean he felt like it was a good place and Michael Hyatt

[00:57:02] Doc Rock: I think he’s used to that. I think he’s used to the fact that he’s, he knows he’s going to get a couple of fangirl moments, but you are right. More people came in to assist than did the fangirl moment. And trust me, it took every ounce of my energy. Now they go, Oh, I was like, uh, yes, sir. Uh, let us see if we can get you handled.

[00:57:24] I’m typing away and giggling in my

[00:57:26] Jeff Sieh: But it’s just, it’s just, it’s just cool like that. You’re like, dude, Seth uses this for his stuff. Like, that’s just awesome. Like, you know, you kind of get a little validation. Like, I’m using the same tool set.

[00:57:38] Doc Rock: We have all the heavy hitters. Seth Godin, Gary Stockton, Tommy Ellison.

[00:57:42] Jeff Sieh: That’s right. Um, so anyway, this has been amazing. I want to let you guys, um, have the last couple of minutes to tell people where to find out more about you.

[00:57:51] And I would love to know if you could, like, what’s on the roadmap? Like, do you have any ideas, like, what’s kind of next? And you got a lot of feedback with this launch. Uh, you’re probably not ready to share what, you know, you’re working on. But, um, just where they can find you, where they can connect, all that stuff.

[00:58:05] Andy, we’ll go with you first.

[00:58:08] Andy Carluccio: Yeah, so you can find me on LinkedIn. Uh, you can also follow a lot of my work at liminalet. com. Uh, Liminal is a pro production brand that’s owned and managed by Zoom, and we publish, uh, multiple production tools under the Liminal banner, uh, including a new app called Tiles that we just released, uh, last Friday.

[00:58:25] Um, so that’s, you know, a lot of information that you can find there on the projects. Uh, but basically, yeah, anywhere, anywhere that you can find Zoom, zoom. us, and all those, uh, different places that zoom pops up in your life now over the past couple of years. Uh, we’ve likely been touching it somewhere. So, uh, you’ll find us there.

[00:58:41] Jeff Sieh: Awesome. Mr. Doc Rock, what about you?

[00:58:45] Doc Rock: Oh, Doc Rock all over the internets and always inside of Ecamm, uh, Testing stuff and breaking stuff and, uh, currently now just trying to find more things that will make your job easier. It’s like, I want to hyper simplify your Ecamm process. So, in sort of my new position, it’s been going out and finding things that we can integrate or tools that we can, you know, say for sure.

[00:59:14] No pun intended, Chris, that these items actually work. So, uh, if you stick inside this, this bubble of safety that we’re building for you, we know that your productions will come off just grand. And I am launching my, my physical product in probably in the next three weeks. So please pay attention.

[00:59:32] Jeff Sieh: can’t wait. We’ll have to have you on the show when you do that, Doc. I’d love to push that out. So, um, yeah. So, uh, thank you guys so much. Uh, all the great questions. Paul, Gary, Abby, everybody who stopped by and left a great comment and or question. It’s been a fabulous show. Don’t forget the chance to win a Creator, uh, uh, ticket.

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